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RE: AirLift Surgery
(09-23-2017, 09:50 PM)JesseLee Wrote: One more thing. Upon further reading, I discovered that this AirLift treatment is used in conjunction with UPPP to get a 60-65% reduction in AHI where the website also states that CPAP gets 66% reduction of AHI. I can post a link if it you all would like

Evidence?

The CPAP AHI may include folks who aren't compliant, or who aren't completely compliant, have been issued a not-helpful machine, lied about whether they're compliant, have not had their equipment fine-tuned, at any rate, not an appropriate comparison group for a procedure. One would have to know if the CPAP study was peer-reviewed; same with the surgery study.
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RE: AirLift Surgery
I don't feel that the 66% is representative of practical CPAP statististics halfasleep. I would like to note that those numbers are from airlift's website. I hope I'm not breaking rules here, I worry about posting links.

https://www.siestamedical.com/physicians
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(09-23-2017, 10:49 PM)JesseLee Wrote: I don't feel that the 66% is representative of practical CPAP statististics halfasleep. I would like to note that those numbers are from airlift's website. I hope I'm not breaking rules here, I worry about posting links.

https://www.siestamedical.com/physicians

Agreed: that's exactly what I'm saying. I don't even need to consult the link! A serious scientific CPAP study would likely show a very high effectiveness rating, once study participants were given the correct machine with the correct settings. It likely would have had an astronomically high effectiveness rating if the participants participated in their own therapy by consulting Sleepyhead.

I suspect any study that shows only 65% success rate for CPAP is bogus.
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You couldn't pay me enough to have that surgery!  My 2 cents.  Oh-jeez
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Looked at the images.

Nope nope nope nope
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(09-23-2017, 10:49 PM)JesseLee Wrote: I don't feel that the 66% is representative of practical CPAP statististics halfasleep. I would like to note that those numbers are from airlift's website. I hope I'm not breaking rules here, I worry about posting links.

https://www.siestamedical.com/physicians

I totally agree with JesseLee.  The CPAP efficacy is based on the nearly 50% of people that simply quit, not the actual reduction of apnea.  You don't get that option with surgery, and the success rate leaves you in need of CPAP anyway.  Most people considering surgery will have severe apnea, with more than 50 events per hour.  So if you eliminate 60% of those, you still have 20 AHI.  We consider that alarmingly untreated here.
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RE: AirLift Surgery
(09-24-2017, 05:43 PM)Sleeprider Wrote:
(09-23-2017, 10:49 PM)JesseLee Wrote: I don't feel that the 66% is representative of practical CPAP statististics halfasleep. I would like to note that those numbers are from airlift's website. I hope I'm not breaking rules here, I worry about posting links.

https://www.siestamedical.com/physicians

I totally agree with JesseLee.  The CPAP efficacy is based on the nearly 50% of people that simply quit, not the actual reduction of apnea.  You don't get that option with surgery, and the success rate leaves you in need of CPAP anyway.  Most people considering surgery will have severe apnea, with more than 50 events per hour.  So if you eliminate 60% of those, you still have 20 AHI.  We consider that alarmingly untreated here.
I get it. You're thinking of the statistic as 60% of AHI events incurred by a participant under study; I was thinking of it as participants not incurring AHIs after treatment.

I'm not disagreeing with anyone even though I understood the statistics differently!

Mind boggling that a procedure could be claimed a cure because it "solves" 60% of a problem...
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I don't know why but the film clip reminded me of the movie Childs Play with Chucky the demonic doll.
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The information that the people have put in the chart is true in some sense I believe. There isn't enough information to analyze what population or what criteria. To me, it's unacceptable figures for effective treatment any way you cut it. These people are sales associates selling a product. I'm sure there is lots of fine print somewhere.
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RE: AirLift Surgery
(09-21-2017, 02:48 PM)Sean Turvey Wrote: I have been looking at surgical solutions for my apnea. Right now I am on CPAP at 20cm. My latest work study tells me that I need BiPAP. Though there are a number of procedures now which seem to help, they are fairly expensive, especially for a Canadian as they are not offered here.

One surgery looks to me like it would work without a huge expense. It is called AirLift

I wrote Siesta Medical, the company which developed it. They told me that it can be done for about $6000 USD. This is about the cost of 2 BiPAPs which would last 12 years or so where the procedure is good forever. They also said that the patient's weight is not usually a deciding factor. This information along with the site and video makes it look too good to be true.

Does anyone have experience with this type of surgery or other hyoid suspension procedures?

What is your BMI?

If you can, easiest fix for apnea is to loose weight.... thats before you consider any surgery for sure.
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