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Post: #21
RE: AirSense 10 vs DreamStation question
(12-05-2015 09:22 PM)cate1898 Wrote:  GPSMapNut, I know you said you are 'hard-headed and your mind is set', but what specifically has you convinced that your next machine is the DreamStation, and not the A10? Just curious.

(12-05-2015 09:55 PM)zonk Wrote:  
(12-05-2015 08:58 PM)GPSMapNut Wrote:  I'm not sure (would have to search) if it was on the website, manual or a video... there was a reference to ability of the provider to set the date on the DS (or maybe something else) using Encore.
I'm not aware of any other machines than ResMed machines, which have a clock so time and date can be changed by the user from the clinical menu (F&P Icon have a clock to set the time, not sure about the date)

From DS user manual
Time: Allows you to adjust the time. The default setting is Greenwich Mean Time, but you may adjust the time in 30 minute increments to match your local time zone.
Note: This time setting is not displayed as a clock function on the device. It is only used to align your therapy data for your Provider’s data reports.

Than, it must've being something else. Maybe custom reminders?
12-05-2015 09:58 PM
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Post: #22
RE: AirSense 10 vs DreamStation question
(12-05-2015 09:22 PM)cate1898 Wrote:  GPSMapNut, I know you said you are 'hard-headed and your mind is set', but what specifically has you convinced that your next machine is the DreamStation, and not the A10? Just curious.

Off the top of my head, in no particular order:

Layout of DS suits better the space it will be used in. It will allow me to see the screen and access the humidifier tank with no modifications to the shelf in my camping trailer.

I expect Straight 12VDC power to be more power efficient than 24VDC to 12VDC converter and way more efficient than any inverter.

If my next sleep study shows (say) 3.5 (not 4 or more) diff in requirements, I will not qualify for ADP APAP - it's irrelevant only to Canada Ontario readers. If I end up with a prescription for a CPAP, not APAP, with DS, I will get to try APAP anyway.

I prefer C-Flex to ResMed pressure relief. At least C-Flex I got to know to whatever S9 is using. With DS, I can select several flavours of the pressure relief.

DS CPAP and APAP can auto adjust the pressure based on the long time results. With ResMed, you or your doc can do that based on results... Now, in Ontario, when was the last time your doc changed the prescribed pressure without a full blown sleep study...?

Somehow, I do believe that both companies continue their research and development and play leapfrog. The steps may be small yet the last jump was made by Respironics.

The only thing that I could find that would possibly favour S10 is the current compatibility with the SH. That is not the advantage of the machine itself but of the (very useful) 3rd party software. Forget today but, in a year... is it still going to be an advantage? because all the others will and I expect my machine to last a number of years.

My previous machine was Respironics and it served me well, without a single hick-up, for 11 years. Now, I'm using S9 loaner and don't particularly like it.

As far as S10 is concerned, except for the "now" compatibility with SH, so far, nobody could give me a single reason why I would choose it over the DS.

Now; all of the above is based on what I know and think today. Tomorrow will be another day and I may know better or... just be stubborn Dont-know
12-05-2015 10:45 PM
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Post: #23
RE: AirSense 10 vs DreamStation question
(12-05-2015 09:55 PM)zonk Wrote:  >>>sip>>>
I'm not aware of a>>>>snip>>>>

See what you've done?! You made me search!

From the DS manual regarding "Clear Default Reminders"
"Note: This does not turn off additional reminders that you may have activated in Encore. Encore messages must be cleared or modified in Encore"
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Post: #24
RE: AirSense 10 vs DreamStation question
(12-05-2015 10:55 PM)GPSMapNut Wrote:  
(12-05-2015 09:55 PM)zonk Wrote:  >>>sip>>>
I'm not aware of a>>>>snip>>>>

See what you've done?! You made me search!

From the DS manual regarding "Clear Default Reminders"
"Note: This does not turn off additional reminders that you may have activated in Encore. Encore messages must be cleared or modified in Encore"

Great. That would imply there is an Encore version. Thanks.

Get the free SleepyHead software here.
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12-06-2015 02:22 AM
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Post: #25
RE: AirSense 10 vs DreamStation question
GPSMapNut; OK I see where you are coming from. I have only been using CPAP for less than 3 months and it's been first an S9 Escape dataless POC, and since Oct 8 an AirSense 10 Elite, so I have no PR experience.

I'm still in the CPAP loaner stage, but my pressure has been increased twice since beginning. My doc not only looks at the AHI and other results but listens to my accounts of how I am feeling and even listens to my hubby's observations of me sleeping. I think he's a keeper!

I'm an RV'er also, but make it an unofficial rule to never dry-camp or boondock. Just my preference. I don't go camping to rough it, but go to enjoy getting away with ALL the amenities I can have, especially electricity! Anyways that's a conversation for another time.

Lastly, I get up every morning and one of the first things I do is pop my SD card into my mac to look at the night before's results on SleepyHead. I don't think I'd like to get a machine that I'd have to wait a year potentially to see my results in SH.

I have a few complaints about the A10, but in the grand scheme of things they are pretty minor. I'm still leaning toward the A10 myself. Unless I hear/read something to convince me otherwise.

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12-06-2015 08:59 AM
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Post: #26
RE: AirSense 10 vs DreamStation question
Cate, Your doc is certainly a keeper and more of an exception than a rule. My previous one couldn't care any less. Even when he retired, he didn't care - the way I found out that he retired was, I called to confirm the appointment that was set up by his office a year earlier, only to find out that the office is already for several months closed... Because my machine crapped out, I had to get a visit quickly. My present doc certainly takes much more interest but I had only one visit so far. Time will tell.

Our discussion is simply another proof that there is no single "best" machine. Individual needs and wants drive the selection.
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Post: #27
RE: AirSense 10 vs DreamStation question
(12-05-2015 05:53 PM)archangle Wrote:  >>>>snip>>>>
As for SleepyHead being updated, the last update was over a year ago and the author last publicly posted about updates in September on another CPAP board. He said he was working on it, but had been fighting some program changes and he's been dealing with some health problems.

Don't count on a quick update for SleepyHead.

After searching some more, I'm starting to be afraid that you are right and it may be a while.
Author's last post (that I could find) about DS compatibility was mid October, on SH Facebook page. In there he wrote (partial quote) :
"I'm just waiting for a a couple of fog free days so I can attack the new event file structure in a hex editor and see what's different."

I've seen that post before so I thought that it's not going to be long but, this time I checked author's personal Facebook page and...
Looking at the profile picture, there may not be enough fog free days to complete the project or, maybe he is just a joker.

He didn't post on SH FB page for 2 months but on his personal page almost every day. That tells me that (at the moment) SH may not be on the top of the list of his priorities.
Well, it's his choice, his time, his program and he has every right to set his priorities as it suits him. We can only wait and see what time brings.
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Post: #28
RE: AirSense 10 vs DreamStation question
Other than bluetooth the Dream Station is pretty much a Prs1 machine.
There really is nothing it has feature wise the Rs1 doesnt except s redone box and humidifier tank.
If i were replacing machine rigjt now id go with the machine i have had over a year. Prs1 auto aflex. If for no other reasons but easier power source capabilty and sofware support.
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Post: #29
RE: AirSense 10 vs DreamStation question
(12-04-2015 12:52 AM)archangle Wrote:  Read the Useful Links in my signature line at the bottom of this post, too. There is information there about which machines are not fully data capable.

DreamStaton:

No new version of software available to read the SD card yet. No new version of Encore, no new version of SleepyHead. To me, this alone makes DreamStation unacceptable.

There is an online software program for A10 or DreamStation machines that gives some therapy data, but it's very limited compared to what you can get with SleepyHead or Encore.

The online program requires the optional modem, and your DME has to pay for the monitoring service. You have to have coverage from the cell phone network for it to work. I think most local DME's will include the modem at no extra cost. However, if you stop doing business with your DME, you will probably lose access to your data. Yet another reason I find it unacceptable.

Optional humidifier

The online program does not require the optional modem. I have the modem, but I signed up to the Dreammapper website without the modem option by accident, so the modem is completely unused now AFAICT. I analyze my data by using dream mapper software on my PC, and transferring my SD card from my machine to my PC, then logging in to the website.
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Post: #30
RE: AirSense 10 vs DreamStation question
(12-09-2015 12:06 AM)Ghost1958 Wrote:  Other than bluetooth the Dream Station is pretty much a Prs1 machine.
There really is nothing it has feature wise the Rs1 doesnt except s redone box and humidifier tank.
If i were replacing machine rigjt now id go with the machine i have had over a year. Prs1 auto aflex. If for no other reasons but easier power source capabilty and sofware support.

Are you saying that PRS1 can automatically adjust the pressure based on the long term results? Or that a PRS1 CPAP can be set to work (for up to 30 days) as an APAP? Or, that these differences are completely insignificant?
12-09-2015 09:07 AM
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