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Has anyone ever heard of yacon syrup (to use as a sweetener) and if so have you tried it (and not what Dr. Oz thinks about it)? I know that they say there are added nutritional benefits like lowering cholesterol, building bones, etc. I don't watch Dr. Oz and I learned about this when I was looking for information on healthy sweeteners. Some people claim to lose weight with this product but if that is true, it would just be an added benefit. I read a few reviews and claims were made that 10 lbs was lost in 5 weeks. Well, the reviews mentioned changing their eating habits and exercising and we all know that it may not be uncommon to lose water weight at the beginning.
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(08-19-2015 09:36 PM)me50 Wrote:  Has anyone ever heard of yacon syrup (to use as a sweetener) and if so have you tried it (and not what Dr. Oz thinks about it)? I know that they say there are added nutritional benefits like lowering cholesterol, building bones, etc. I don't watch Dr. Oz and I learned about this when I was looking for information on healthy sweeteners. Some people claim to lose weight with this product but if that is true, it would just be an added benefit. I read a few reviews and claims were made that 10 lbs was lost in 5 weeks. Well, the reviews mentioned changing their eating habits and exercising and we all know that it may not be uncommon to lose water weight at the beginning.


All the claims on yacon syrup for weight loss are based on a single rather flawed study with a VERY small sample. There is no other evidence to support such claims. You would have the same results if you had a diet of cayenne pepper and maple syrup dissolved in water, a popular cure here. And your weight would bounce back up after, too.
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Interesting about snake oil … Apparently it contained red peppers (Capsaicin) and was recommended by Chinese railroad workers for sore joints. Capsaisin is now clinically proven, liscensed and marketed for joint pain in the form of Zostrix cream, also used for shingles pain. Zostrix (capsaisin cream) is prescribed now by western doctors …probably even orthopaedic surgeons too Wink

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snake_oil
Chinese laborers on railroad gangs involved in building the First Transcontinental Railroad first gave snake oil to Europeans with joint pain.[3] When rubbed on the skin at the painful site, snake oil was claimed to bring relief. This claim was ridiculed by rival medicine salesmen, and in time, snake oil became a generic name for many compounds marketed as panaceas or miraculous remedies whose ingredients were usually secret, unidentified, or mischaracterized and mostly inert or ineffective.

Patent medicines originated in England, where a patent was granted to Richard Stoughton's Elixir in 1712.[4] Since there was no federal regulation in the United States concerning safety and effectiveness of drugs until the 1906 Food and Drugs Act[5] and various medicine salesmen or manufacturers seldom had enough skills in analytical chemistry to analyze the contents of snake oil, it became the archetype of hoax.

The snake oil peddler became a stock character in Western movies: a traveling "doctor" with dubious credentials, selling fake medicines with boisterous marketing hype, often supported by pseudo-scientific evidence. To increase sales, an accomplice in the crowd (a shill) would often attest to the value of the product in an effort to provoke buying enthusiasm. The "doctor" would leave town before his customers realized they had been cheated.[3] This practice is also called grifting and its practitioners are called grifters.

A report of the 1917 decision of the United States District Court for Rhode Island, fining Clark Stanley $20 for "misbranding" its "Clark Stanley Snake Oil Liniment".
The composition of snake oil medicines varies markedly among products.

Stanley's snake oil — produced by Clark Stanley, the "Rattlesnake King" — was tested by the United States government in 1917. It was found to contain:[4]
mineral oil
1% fatty oil (presumed to be beef fat)
red pepper
turpentine
camphor

This is similar in composition to modern-day capsaicin-based liniments or chest rubs. None of the oil content was found to have been extracted from any actual snakes.

The government sued the manufacturer for misbranding and misrepresenting its product, winning the judgment of $20 against Clark Stanley. Soon after the decision, "snake oil" became synonymous with false cures and "snake-oil salesmen" became a tag for charlatans.
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Here in Oz we have Goanna Oil liniment, which is a good all-purpose rub for aches and pains. (In fact there's a whole range of Goanna products). Originally the product did include genuine goanna oil, but as they are now a protected species, it just contains the usual run of menthol, camphor, methyl salicylate etc. The story of the product is interesting - Google "Grab the Goanna" and open the "heritage" tab.

The goanna (for those who don't know) is a monitor lizard. The largest Australian monitor lizard, the Perentie, can be over two metres long. Its tiny relative, the short-tailed monitor, reaches all of 20 cm. It's related to the distinctly nasty Komodo Dragon. When I lived in Port Hedland (many years ago) I had a big goanna (over a metre long) that lived in the garden right outside my office window.

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(08-20-2015 04:22 AM)C-PAP Wrote:  Interesting about snake oil …

More interestingly, we use actual snake oil here - well, snake venom, in topical creams, such as viperosol, which comes from Hungary. Works just fine for muscle strains and the like.
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I am wondering about yacon syrup NOT for weight loss but to use as a sweetener. Is it almost or as healthy and beneficial as they say Stevia is?

Those that claim weight loss is because a lot of the people that I read about also made other changes in their daily living such as exercise and no fast food eating, cutting out sodas, etc. etc.

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(08-19-2015 09:36 PM)me50 Wrote:  Has anyone ever heard of yacon syrup (to use as a sweetener) and if so have you tried it (and not what Dr. Oz thinks about it)? I know that they say there are added nutritional benefits like lowering cholesterol, building bones, etc. I don't watch Dr. Oz and I learned about this when I was looking for information on healthy sweeteners. Some people claim to lose weight with this product but if that is true, it would just be an added benefit. I read a few reviews and claims were made that 10 lbs was lost in 5 weeks. Well, the reviews mentioned changing their eating habits and exercising and we all know that it may not be uncommon to lose water weight at the beginning.


All the claims on yacon syrup for weight loss are based on a single rather flawed study with a VERY small sample. There is no other evidence to support such claims. You would have the same results if you had a diet of cayenne pepper and maple syrup dissolved in water, a popular cure here. And your weight would bounce back up after, too.
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The answer is jaein (Swiss German for yeas and no together). It doesn't have the same load on the blood glucose levels, but due to the high fibre, the glucose remains impacted longer than normal sugars like maple syrup or cane sugar would, and it is processed differently by the liver because of the content. So, six of one, half a dozen of the other, more or less.
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This reminds me of a conversation I had with one of my smarter "holistic" food friends. He was talking about using "agave nectar" as a sweetener. It's supposedly healthier because of a low glycemic index It's also marketed to to give the idea that it's something made by small family farmers in Mexico.

Well, it turns out it's "low glycemic" because it's high in fructose. The same stuff that it's so fashionable to deride because of HFCS (High Fructose Corn Syrup.)

Well, it's "natural" right? It's "nectar," right? Probably collected by Mexican bees or something, right.

No, it's made from the juice of crushed agave plants. It's also processed to turn the native sugars into simple sugars like fructose. It's a bit similar to HFCS.

It's also probably produced by some big agricultural products company, not some small independent farmer.

However, don't get me started on the "HFCS is evil" fad. Perhaps, but so is table sugar, brown sugar, and all-natural organic free-range honey in some sense.

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Sugar, in all its forms is indeed the enemy, but really, it is any processed sugars, and too much of any natural sugars (anything that grows in the ground, like potatoes or carrots, for instance). It is finding the right amount and balance that counts, and getting your sugars from whole foods rather than as something added as much as possible. In that sense, a diabetic diet is not far off from what a healthy diet for a normal person SHOULD look like. We don't do it that way, because, well, we don't, and we are the only animals to actually enjoy food in a culinary way (most animals enjoy their meals, if observation is correct, but we combine tastes, we cook, we do things to food and turn it into rituals and art - no other animal does that). But strictly speaking, for optimal nutrition, we should all be on something similar to a diabetic diet, in that we should restrict the amounts of sugars from natural sources like carbs and unnatural sources like refined added sugars, but of course, where's the fun in that? And it probably won't add much to your life, unless you compare to to extremely unhealthy and excessive diets. It may make your later years less illness ridden, but that is about it.
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