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Dreamstation 2 Advanced PIN
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Dreamstation 2 Advanced PIN
Howdy all - I'll admit I'm more of a lurker here, but wanted to make you all aware of what transpired this past week for me.

I purchased a Dreamstation 2 Advanced out of pocket from my DME this past Thursday.  When I got home, I noticed the respiratory therapist had set the machine for 5-20, though I'm more comfortable and have AHI's less than 1 consistently at 12-20.  She did nothing wrong in that she set the machine to my prescription, but using this forum and others I self-titrated to a much better AHI score. 

I attempted to enter the clinical menu on my machine (remember, one that I bought outright, so no insurance at all here) and found that the machine was locked via a PIN code.  I called the DME and asked if they could change the pressure to 12-20 rather than 5-20 and they said no, as the script was for 5-20.  They suggested that the machine will 'learn' me in a week or so and it'd start me higher, but I use the machine to get quality sleep, and I don't want to lose another week's sleep waiting.  Plus, this machine is a secondary machine as I spend my time 50% in two houses, so I want to be sure that I can match the machines when they or I want.  They also refused to give me the PIN code to change the settings myself.  So, I took matters into my own hands.

I broke through the pin code lock, and set the machine myself. ;Wink Wasn't too hard.

But, this AM, I get a call from my DME.  They can see that I broke through the pin code, and that I changed my settings.  They were letting me know that they actually called my doctor to report to the doctor that I changed my settings, and were requesting a new prescription at the new pressure.  

My doc's office hasn't called me yet, but just wanted people to know that they are watching us, with more scrutiny I think than before...

Anyone else think this is a bit weird?

Thanks!
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#2
RE: Dreamstation 2 Advanced PIN
Since you purchased this device outright, did you sign anything granting them access permission? If not, then they don't have any business connecting to your device.
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RE: Dreamstation 2 Advanced PIN
Negative, I did not sign anything other than the equipment receipt.

J
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#4
RE: Dreamstation 2 Advanced PIN
You have the right to decline any testing, monitoring or procedures. It would be interesting to know exactly how you defeated the PIN code.
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RE: Dreamstation 2 Advanced PIN
I'm loathe to put that info on a public forum, but check your messages.
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RE: Dreamstation 2 Advanced PIN
Does it have Airplane Mode that you can enable? I would think that would make it so they can't access your machine.
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RE: Dreamstation 2 Advanced PIN
It does, but I hadn't thought of that when I first got it - and I had incorrectly figured that if I changed the pin they couldn't access it...  I'd have to have turned on airplane mode, and set things, and leave it, but them I have compliance check reports that might be a problem as I spend 50% of my time in one house and 50% in another.  Meaning, together I'm compliant, but individual machines will report that I am not.

Gotta love is...

j
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RE: Dreamstation 2 Advanced PIN
Tell them to bug off. You bought it so order them to quit monitoring now!
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RE: Dreamstation 2 Advanced PIN
Compliance doesn't mean jack, if insurance or DOT isn't involved.
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Wouldn't continued compliance monitoring keep my ins company paying for supplies like hoses, masks, etc?

Thanks!
j
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