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[Equipment] Can a ResMed Airsense 10 for HER be used by a man?
#21
The auto for her algor... I have read is different from the for him in these ways.

For him doesn't make any adjustments until 3 apneas, then make a major change in pressure to try and help after the adjustment.

The for her will make an adjustment with the first obstruction but adjusts the pressure changes in much smaller increments. Thus making it less likely to awaken the sleeper from the pressure changes.

The me, it is more about how deep a sleeper one is, vs a light sleeper.
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#22
(08-09-2016, 09:39 PM)Snorzzz Wrote: Also, not to confuse the issue, however before my insurance ran out, the Dr. said i may be a candidate for the dental device instead of the CPAP. Ok, great, how does one know for a fact which one is better? Isn't this to have been figured out by the sleep lab results?

A laboratory sleep study cannot tell you if a dental appliance will treat your sleep apnea effectively unless you happen to be already wearing it during the sleep study. One advantage to a CPAP over a dental appliance is that a fully data capable CPAP machine can tell you if it's working correctly. A dental appliance can't, so you just have to guess based on how you feel.

The other advantage to CPAP is statistical. It's far more likely that it will effectively treat your sleep apnea because a much greater fraction of the population is effectively treated by CPAP than by dental appliances.

So, dental appliances get relegated to the category of being used to treat patients who can't or won't tolerate CPAP therapy.

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#23
I was able to find the ResMed "For Her" model cheaper than the "manly" (I don't know what is manly about it) Dont-know black model, so I took a chance and purchased it. For giggles Big Grin, I'll try the "For Her" setting and if I like it, I'll keep using that mode, if not, back to the regular auto setting I go.

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#24
Surprised 
To answer your question, yes, a man can use the " For Her" Resmed S10 Cpap. What is different aside from the white case and flower, is the algorythm of breath delivery. I am a sleep specialist working in a sleep lab setting up these machines all day. In fact just the other day, I set up a man on one of these. The MD felt this particular patient would benefit from this machine as opposed to the traditional S10 Cpap. Honestly women have done great on Cpap, no matter what brand, so my guess with Resmed is that they have pulled this out from somewhere and use it as a marketing tool, but you could use the EPR feature on the S10 Cpap just as well for the same effect.
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#25
Following is an excerpt from an article dealing with the differences for women.

Summary of AutoSet for Her therapy features and their relevance to female-associated OSA (adapted from Table 1 of article)

Female-associated OSA characteristics AutoSet for Her Therapy Feature

1. Women experience shorter obstructive events - Device includes RERA reporting to indicate the occurrence of respiratory events not strictly meeting the definition of an apnea or hypopnea.

2. Women are prone to more upper airway resistance and flow limitation - A single breath index is used to calculate and respond to the patient’s flow limitation (3 breath average used in standard AutoSet).

3. Women have predominantly REM-based events - If 2 apneas are detected within a minute, an ‘adaptive minimum pressure’ prevents therapy pressure decaying below this level for the remainder of the session. Minimum pressure will not exceed 10cmH2O.

4. Women require lower CPAP pressures than
males - The maximum pressure due to a closed airway apnea is 12 cm H2O. The therapy pressure still increases above 12 cm H2O if it is driven by either continued snoring or flow limitation. This reduces the likelihood of reaching high pressures over short periods.

5. Women may experience more arousals from sleep - The algorithm contains several modifications to the internal gains of the algorithm which effectively result in a slower (and lower) pressure rise and decay when compared to standard AutoSet.

from Obstructive Sleep Apnea in Women: Specific Issues and Interventions
AJ Wimms, MSc Med; S Ketheeswaran, BBiomedSc; JP Armitstead, PhD
ResMed Science Center, Sydney, Australia


I think your answer to the question is correct in its general form but your summation of the differences and opinion that by using the EPR one could make a standard autoset emulate the Autoset for women mode seems a little less than accurate.

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(08-29-2016, 07:34 PM)PaytonA Wrote: Following is an excerpt from an article dealing with the differences for women.

Summary of AutoSet for Her therapy features and their relevance to female-associated OSA (adapted from Table 1 of article)

Female-associated OSA characteristics AutoSet for Her Therapy Feature

1. Women experience shorter obstructive events - Device includes RERA reporting to indicate the occurrence of respiratory events not strictly meeting the definition of an apnea or hypopnea.

2. Women are prone to more upper airway resistance and flow limitation - A single breath index is used to calculate and respond to the patient’s flow limitation (3 breath average used in standard AutoSet).

3. Women have predominantly REM-based events - If 2 apneas are detected within a minute, an ‘adaptive minimum pressure’ prevents therapy pressure decaying below this level for the remainder of the session. Minimum pressure will not exceed 10cmH2O.

4. Women require lower CPAP pressures than
males - The maximum pressure due to a closed airway apnea is 12 cm H2O. The therapy pressure still increases above 12 cm H2O if it is driven by either continued snoring or flow limitation. This reduces the likelihood of reaching high pressures over short periods.

5. Women may experience more arousals from sleep - The algorithm contains several modifications to the internal gains of the algorithm which effectively result in a slower (and lower) pressure rise and decay when compared to standard AutoSet.

from Obstructive Sleep Apnea in Women: Specific Issues and Interventions
AJ Wimms, MSc Med; S Ketheeswaran, BBiomedSc; JP Armitstead, PhD
ResMed Science Center, Sydney, Australia


I think your answer to the question is correct in its general form but your summation of the differences and opinion that by using the EPR one could make a standard autoset emulate the Autoset for women mode seems a little less than accurate.

Best Regards,

PaytonA

I thought the same of yours.
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#27
(08-29-2016, 12:27 PM)Sleep Geek Wrote: To answer your question, yes, a man can use the " For Her" Resmed S10 Cpap. What is different aside from the white case and flower, is the algorythm of breath delivery. I am a sleep specialist working in a sleep lab setting up these machines all day. In fact just the other day, I set up a man on one of these. The MD felt this particular patient would benefit from this machine as opposed to the traditional S10 Cpap. Honestly women have done great on Cpap, no matter what brand, so my guess with Resmed is that they have pulled this out from somewhere and use it as a marketing tool, but you could use the EPR feature on the S10 Cpap just as well for the same effect.
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Sleep Geek,
Welcome to Apnea board!

Here is a more in depth article for you to read if interested. I believe the information that Payton posted is from this article.

http://www.resmed.com/us/dam/documents/a...orithm.pdf

If you read through this, you may have a better grasp on the differences in the
"For Her" algorithm compared to the For Him.

My concern is your belief that the EPR feature simulates the "For Her" algorithm. This isn't accurate.

EPR is an exhalation relief feature which will lower the pressure by 1,2 or 3cm upon exhalation. This is a comfort feature and is not the same as the "For Her" algorithm.

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(08-30-2016, 05:19 AM)mftinvermont Wrote:
(08-29-2016, 07:34 PM)PaytonA Wrote: Following is an excerpt from an article dealing with the differences for women.

Summary of AutoSet for Her therapy features and their relevance to female-associated OSA (adapted from Table 1 of article)

Female-associated OSA characteristics AutoSet for Her Therapy Feature

1. Women experience shorter obstructive events - Device includes RERA reporting to indicate the occurrence of respiratory events not strictly meeting the definition of an apnea or hypopnea.

2. Women are prone to more upper airway resistance and flow limitation - A single breath index is used to calculate and respond to the patient’s flow limitation (3 breath average used in standard AutoSet).

3. Women have predominantly REM-based events - If 2 apneas are detected within a minute, an ‘adaptive minimum pressure’ prevents therapy pressure decaying below this level for the remainder of the session. Minimum pressure will not exceed 10cmH2O.

4. Women require lower CPAP pressures than
males - The maximum pressure due to a closed airway apnea is 12 cm H2O. The therapy pressure still increases above 12 cm H2O if it is driven by either continued snoring or flow limitation. This reduces the likelihood of reaching high pressures over short periods.

5. Women may experience more arousals from sleep - The algorithm contains several modifications to the internal gains of the algorithm which effectively result in a slower (and lower) pressure rise and decay when compared to standard AutoSet.

from Obstructive Sleep Apnea in Women: Specific Issues and Interventions
AJ Wimms, MSc Med; S Ketheeswaran, BBiomedSc; JP Armitstead, PhD
ResMed Science Center, Sydney, Australia


I think your answer to the question is correct in its general form but your summation of the differences and opinion that by using the EPR one could make a standard autoset emulate the Autoset for women mode seems a little less than accurate.

Best Regards,

PaytonA

I thought the same of yours.

I would love to hear how either you or your doppelganger think that my statements are less than accurate. Would you please explain how you get Autoset mode to emulate Autoset for Women mode. Or we could make it a little more specific and explain how you get Autoset mode to respond to a single breath index like the Autoset for Women mode instead of waiting for three like the regular Autoset mode does

Best Regards,

PaytonA

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#29
Can't you just go into the clinician's menu and turn off the "for her" algorithm? Then your machine behaves no differently than the model that's not marketed as "for her".
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#30
If you read post 24 you will see that the poster claims that he can adjust a standard Autoset so that it acts like an Autoset for women. For that reason he thinks that one should not buy the For Women version since he is sure that it is just a Resmed marketing ploy. I am sure that there is a lot of marketing at work there but I think that there are definite differences, subtle though some may be, that should not be totally ignored.

Just one more thing. If I was going to buy an Autoset, I would buy the for her version.

Best Regards,

PaytonA

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