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[Equipment] Just got the new Airfit P10
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(02-21-2014, 03:43 PM)herbm Wrote: As I understand it you are encouraged to STRETCH out the head gear if it is too tight for you head.

I lucked out (on this whole CPAP thing really) and the strap is probably as perfect for me as possible -- had I sized it myself I would have made it tighter a little and that would have been completely unnecessary.

(02-21-2014, 10:50 AM)Galactus Wrote: ...but the nuance pro has that swivel in the front, i'm not sure if that makes it better or worse, I sleep on my side and my back and I find often the swivel helps me. Also the weave for quieter exhaling, and non directional exhaling could be a plus whereas the port on the nuance pro can make some noise, and can direct a pretty good blast of air. Really though we are just surmising, we need someone who has used both, hopefully someone will drop in and let us know or one of us might get one of the other masks, fingers crossed to get that review.

Overall though it definitely appears that the minimalistic approach is in, as less can ultimately be more in this case!

I also watched a video on it, and it is even more intriguing after watching the video.

I believe that the swivels makes it BOTH better and worse. Better if you need that swivel or even just appreciate it, and worse for adding the weight and additional rigid protusion instead of just soft tubing which is sufficient for most purposes.

I sleep constantly on my side with my head deep in a double pillow and don't have any issues.

The swivel would be worse for me since I prefer a "body pillow" and in the past would also bury my chin into that -- I had to move the body pillow down or away about 3 inches to let the hose clear.

The swivel would just require more space as the hose seems flexible enough to be routed in any direction and does have the stiff protusion that the swivel requires.

(I have a swivel on the Oracle HC452 that requires MORE room in front of my face to avoid fouling in the pillow or blanket.)

Thanks for that info, quite helpful. I think I have to get a hold of one of these and try them it.
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(02-21-2014, 07:05 PM)Galactus Wrote:
(02-21-2014, 03:43 PM)herbm Wrote: As I understand it you are encouraged to STRETCH out the head gear if it is too tight for you head.

I lucked out (on this whole CPAP thing really) and the strap is probably as perfect for me as possible -- had I sized it myself I would have made it tighter a little and that would have been completely unnecessary.

(02-21-2014, 10:50 AM)Galactus Wrote: ...but the nuance pro has that swivel in the front, i'm not sure if that makes it better or worse, I sleep on my side and my back and I find often the swivel helps me. Also the weave for quieter exhaling, and non directional exhaling could be a plus whereas the port on the nuance pro can make some noise, and can direct a pretty good blast of air. Really though we are just surmising, we need someone who has used both, hopefully someone will drop in and let us know or one of us might get one of the other masks, fingers crossed to get that review.

Overall though it definitely appears that the minimalistic approach is in, as less can ultimately be more in this case!

I also watched a video on it, and it is even more intriguing after watching the video.

I believe that the swivels makes it BOTH better and worse. Better if you need that swivel or even just appreciate it, and worse for adding the weight and additional rigid protusion instead of just soft tubing which is sufficient for most purposes.

I sleep constantly on my side with my head deep in a double pillow and don't have any issues.

The swivel would be worse for me since I prefer a "body pillow" and in the past would also bury my chin into that -- I had to move the body pillow down or away about 3 inches to let the hose clear.

The swivel would just require more space as the hose seems flexible enough to be routed in any direction and does have the stiff protusion that the swivel requires.

(I have a swivel on the Oracle HC452 that requires MORE room in front of my face to avoid fouling in the pillow or blanket.)

Thanks for that info, quite helpful. I think I have to get a hold of one of these and try them it.
Hi Galactus, I am wondering if you have been able to get hold of the P10 as yet and been able to compare it with the Nuance.
That is what you wanted to do wasn't it? Or vice versa?
I am interested in the results if you have don't this experiment thanks.
I was all set to order the P10, then I heard about the Nuance, now I don't know which way to go. Oh-jeez
Sleep Tight...
Gabby
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(02-20-2014, 08:50 PM)Galactus Wrote: I would be interested to know how this is vs the Nuance Pro, as they look very similar. If anyone out there has tried both I'd like to know.

I started with the Nuance Pro. It wasn't too bad, but I found I had to hang off my pillow and use a headband over it to keep it from leaking. The exhaust port was the worst part-very strong and cold. It blew on my hubby too.

That's why I switched to the p10-very light weight, quiet, and no marks on my face or trouble side-sleeping. For me it is the winner, hands down.
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#14
Hi college3girls,
WELCOME! to the forum.!
It's good to hear that you have found a mask that works well for you.
trish6hundred
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#15
Thanks College3girls and welcome aboard.
I have an Airfit and a Nuance on order so was happy toSmilehear good review for Airfit.
After your and other's reviews I am looking forward to getting the Airfit on.
It's great when people are really satisfied with their masks.
Presently using Swift FX which I am finding very good for leaks but a bit sore around the nostrils.
Hope you will hang around.
Sleep Tight...
Gabby
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#16
Got mine almost the day it came out.

Bottom line: Best mask I've tried.
Using it, I've finally turned a corner using CPAP.

COMMENTS:

1) Very minimalist. Not much of a sense of wearing a mask at all.

2) Not THAT quiet. I do hear my breaths, esp deep ones.
The Mirage FX was much better in this regard, probably because the nose is encased.

3) Pillows -- okay design, needs work. You will probably want to use a larger size than seems reasonable. If it's too small, your nose edges will press against the pillows' structural outside instead of the soft comfy center. The Large size looks big enough for the Jolly Green Giant, but it's the most comfortable.

4) DO stretch the band out once before letting the pillows rest on your nose. Make sure the air holes aren't blocked. There should be just enough pressure to get a good seal, and no more.

5) Supposedly you adjust the headband by separating the the two headbands (it splits into two) farther apart for a looser fit. You should do that anyway because farther apart will stay on better.

6) VERY good for side sleepers.
For reals. (Not like similar claims made for, say, the Mirage FX. Are you f&@&ing kidding? It sucks for that.)

7) Very easy to clean, swishing removable pillows with soapy water.

8) May leak a little in the middle of the night.
Not a big problem. After awhile, you'll reseal things while only half-conscious and fall right back under.

9) Best exhaust port EVER. This is the truly revolutionary advance of this mask -- an outlet that doesn't blow a stream of cold air to hit your partner or some part of you AND does it silently. It's brilliant.

10) Compliance: much easier to sleep longer with this one. ResMed's studies show this, and I can sure see why.

Overall, a big winner.
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I have to ask about the headgear. Although some may not think it is as important as the pillows, it is an important piece of the puzzle.

That said, how does it hold up? One of the downfalls with Resmed's headgear, at least for me, has been that it just doesn't last very long (I haven't tried this mask)
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I only have about 50 days on my mask (53 days of therapy minus a few nights testing my Innomed Hybrid to be sure it was a good enough backup for "congestion nights").

The mask and headgear are holding up well so far -- I imagine there is a little bit of 'newness' wearing off as I inspect it, but nothing functional has changed.

I disagree with the admonition to "go larger" on the pillows as a GENERAL RULE. I did just the opposite and got fewer leaks and better AHI.

Notice: Going large MAY be the best solution for some people it's just that using this as a general rule is not going to be effective for everyone.

The small pillows didn't feel as good to me at first (the large are nice and fluffy), but they seal better (for me) and feel more "stable" (better fit) now that I have learned to just LEAVE THEM ALONE all night.

It's messing with the pillows that is largely responsible for unseating them and for abrasive irritations -- like new shoes, if you don't move they don't hurt or blister.


I am incredibly lucky that the head gear fits me perfectly, but it seems completely stupid for Resmed NOT to offer this in an adjustable head gear version.

Why not a VERY SIMPLE velcro adjustable strap as an option?

I don't need the adjustment, but it is a shame this near perfect mask doesn't allow for easy and full sizing.

Some people on "that other forum" are experimenting with putting the head gear from other masks onto a P10 which may give some interesting ideas for recycling the straps from old masks lying around.

There are three caveats with this mask:

1) Must be able to breath through your nose (true of all nasal masks)
2) Must be able to keep your mouth shut but one means or another (again true of all nasal masks)
3) Head gear must be within a reasonable range of fit (it stretches but no enough for some people and can't be made much smaller by any built in means)

While the first two are inherent in any nasal mask, it's a shame the the third limitation is present.

Sweet Dreams,

HerbM
Sleep study AHI: 49 RDI: 60 -- APAP 10-11 w/AHI: 1.5 avg for 7-days (up due likely to hip replacement recovery)

"We can all breathe together or we will all suffocate alone."
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Mask straps - Manufactures would put string in the bag if they thought they could get away with it. Profit before customer. One day some manufacturer will learn and reap all the benefit of customer satisfaction. Slightly smaller profit per unit but increased turnover and better profit overall.
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#20
It would not be that hard for someone enterprising to just CUT the strap and add velcro (with proper padding) to the mask strap to make is truly adjustable, both small and larger.

If this were the only thing stopping me from using the P10, that is what I would do in about 10 minutes flat.
Sweet Dreams,

HerbM
Sleep study AHI: 49 RDI: 60 -- APAP 10-11 w/AHI: 1.5 avg for 7-days (up due likely to hip replacement recovery)

"We can all breathe together or we will all suffocate alone."
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