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Post: #21
RE: P's fun with FFM
(12-02-2014 09:40 PM)PaulaO2 Wrote:  Does the F10 press in as hard as the Quattro Air does?

Not as much at all.

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12-03-2014 01:39 AM
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Post: #22
RE: P's fun with FFM
It's been an insane week and not been able to return the Quattro Air which they sent me instead of the Quattro Mirage I asked for. It is on my agenda to call first thing in the morning. If they hadn't moved their warehouse to the next county, I would be able to just go and get it but now it has to be shipped. Their office doesn't carry anything anymore other than demo stuff. It would actually take longer for them to get the mask to the office for me to pick up than for them to ship it to me. Why? I dunno.

Anyway, I still have to go to their office to drop off the Air. Maybe I can convince them to get the Mirage to there faster. Ha?

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12-08-2014 12:20 AM
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Post: #23
RE: P's fun with FFM
RG and I were communicating on the psychic hot line and it's quite clear that your dme has a P10 ready and waiting for you so you can put an end to all this nonsense Dielaughing

Seriously though I hope you get it sorted.

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12-08-2014 11:44 AM
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Post: #24
RE: P's fun with FFM
I spoke with Bless His Stoopid Heart Ron today. He was surprised I did not get the correct mask since the notes said which one. I was surprised he did not get my message from last week!

Instead of mailing it, the local office has the mask in stock and I'm going there tomorrow to turn in the Air and pick up the Quattro.

But I'm confused. The entire line is called the Mirage or the Quattro? 'Cause BHSH Ron said I was to get the Quattro, not the Air. And I thought they were all called Quattro whatever. Like Quattro Air, Quattro Mirage, etc. Or is it just the main one, the one with the adjustable forehead thingy, called the Quattro and the others are just based off of it so share its name?

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12-09-2014 05:31 PM
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Post: #25
RE: P's fun with FFM
I talked to the ResMed rep here recently, on a visit to a sleep lab's open house event. According to her:
1) Mirage is the older line of masks. They are made of bulkier materials.
2) AirFit line is the latest line. It has newer materials (silicone, softer plastics). So this line is lighter than the Mirage line of masks.
So all AirFit masks (N, P, F) are better than the older generations, as per the Rep. And you can see they are lighter when comparing them side-by-side.

The Resmed Quattro Air is an improvement over Resmed Mirage Quattro. Its was released in 2013 in US I think. the Resmed AirFit F10 came later. You can think of the Airfit F10 as an improvement over Resmed Quattro FX.

I have both AirFit F10 and Quattro Air. Both excellent masks. Share the same cushion so its easy to buy spares. I alternate b/w the two (so that I get marks on my face at alternate places every night :-) ).

Started APAP 4-20, Closed range to 7.5-14, then straight 8.0 w/ Aflex 3
RDI always below 1. But sleep much much better at straight pressure.
Started on F10, Tried Quattro Air successfully. Finally settled on P10.
12-09-2014 06:02 PM
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Post: #26
RE: P's fun with FFM
Never ceases to amaze me how no one gets a message anymore despite emails, voice mails, sticky notes and all the rest. It's always "Oh really, you left a message.... I didn't get it" Well BHSH! At least now that he did get the message maybe he'll fix it. I just had this with my humidifier. I called 4x beofre they finally got someone who "got the message".

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12-09-2014 06:23 PM
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Post: #27
RE: P's fun with FFM
It took them 3 yrs to get my mailing address right. Even then, they still often screw it up and FedEx fixes it.

Ash, I am interested in the Quattro because of its adjustable forehead piece. I have never had a nasal mask that will not leak into my eyes which is why I have always used nasal pillows. But with the lip leak problem I can't solve, I am looking into FFMs. The hope is the adjustability of the Quattro will help me with the leaks into the eyes. I don't mind using some sort of sealant (like a tshirt or even Macs earplugs) but comfort is the top most priority.

I tried the Air. Second most painful mask I've ever had. First would be the P10.

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12-09-2014 08:04 PM
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Post: #28
RE: P's fun with FFM
Resmed actually calls the mask the Mirage Quattro and they portray it as part of the Mirage line. The Quattro line displayed on Resmed's site consists of the Quattro Air and the Quattro FX. Sounds like you might be getting another bogus mask if you do not intercede.

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12-09-2014 10:08 PM
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Post: #29
RE: P's fun with FFM
Just a thought but in FFM the F&P Simplus is the most comfortable quietest and leak free FFM ive had on my noggin. Alot of the reason when switching to the nasal the Eson was the mask I asked for. No forehead bars, no adjusting other than a loose fit with the straps and the cushion does the rest, no engineering degree to take apart. Right size definitely no leaks to the eyes and good seal over my beard as well.

I havent tried all FFM of course but it would hard to imagine one simpler more comfortable or leak free.
12-09-2014 10:08 PM
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Post: #30
RE: P's fun with FFM
(12-09-2014 08:04 PM)PaulaO2 Wrote:  It took them 3 yrs to get my mailing address right. Even then, they still often screw it up and FedEx fixes it.

Ash, I am interested in the Quattro because of its adjustable forehead piece. I have never had a nasal mask that will not leak into my eyes which is why I have always used nasal pillows. But with the lip leak problem I can't solve, I am looking into FFMs. The hope is the adjustability of the Quattro will help me with the leaks into the eyes. I don't mind using some sort of sealant (like a tshirt or even Macs earplugs) but comfort is the top most priority.

I tried the Air. Second most painful mask I've ever had. First would be the P10.

If you found the Quattro Air painful (I am guessing on the forehead bridge), then you may find the Mirage Quattro painful as well. The laws of physics are the same for both.

I don't overtighten the quattro air, and put a mask liner below it. And I make sure that it is a bit loose and floats on the face at my starting pressure of 7. If your pressure is much higher, it may be a bit of work to get that "zen" setting.

Started APAP 4-20, Closed range to 7.5-14, then straight 8.0 w/ Aflex 3
RDI always below 1. But sleep much much better at straight pressure.
Started on F10, Tried Quattro Air successfully. Finally settled on P10.
12-10-2014 12:08 AM
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