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[Equipment] Respironics System One Humidifier 50 Series vs. 60 Series - humidifier chamber lid
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RE: Respironics System One Humidifier 50 Series vs. 60 Series - humidifier chamber lid
So if I get this right you have a 60 series and humidifier, without the heated hose.... and when you have the humidity set right you are having rain out... do I have it right? And the point is to stop the rain out? Provided I have that right, first set the machine below the height of the person. Doesn't have to be far below, just so the hose needs to go up rather than down or level. second wrap the hose, in a hose cosy. No cosy? get an old tube sock, cut the toes off and slide the hose through, or use some material and make one, the insulation will help, and the height will help. Should end the rain out issues. Worked for me.

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10-08-2014 01:00 AM
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RE: Respironics System One Humidifier 50 Series vs. 60 Series - humidifier chamber lid
And if all that does not help, pull any excess hose under the covers with you to simulate your own heated hose. I even used to lie on part of the hose.

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10-08-2014 11:24 AM
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Heating the hose isn't the ideal solution. My wife already complains that the air coming out of the unit is too hot! Confused
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RE: Respironics System One Humidifier 50 Series vs. 60 Series - humidifier chamber lid
There are three ways of eliminating rainout that I can think of offhand.

Increase the hose temperature
Increase the room temperature
Reduce the humidity in the hose

There are various means of accomplishing these goals but I can not think of anything else that will help.
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RE: Respironics System One Humidifier 50 Series vs. 60 Series - humidifier chamber lid
PaytonA, you missed one;

Insulate the hose from the ambient air.

Hence the cosy.

Jus mho.

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RE: Respironics System One Humidifier 50 Series vs. 60 Series - humidifier chamber lid
(10-08-2014 05:37 PM)Galactus Wrote:  PaytonA, you missed one;

Insulate the hose from the ambient air.

Hence the cosy.

Jus mho.


Insulating the hose increases its temperature as compared to the uninsulated state ergo heat the hose. At least that was my thought in addition to heating the hose directly. As I think I mentioned there are a number of specific methods to affect each parameter change.
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RE: Respironics System One Humidifier 50 Series vs. 60 Series - humidifier chamber lid
(10-08-2014 10:50 PM)PaytonA Wrote:  
(10-08-2014 05:37 PM)Galactus Wrote:  PaytonA, you missed one;

Insulate the hose from the ambient air.

Hence the cosy.

Jus mho.


Insulating the hose increases its temperature as compared to the uninsulated state ergo heat the hose. At least that was my thought in addition to heating the hose directly. As I think I mentioned there are a number of specific methods to affect each parameter change.

Think of it this way. The rain out comes from condensation inside the hose. The condensation is coming from the temperature change between the hose and the rooms ambient air. OP says the air is already hot enough inside the hose so they don't want to heat it more. If you put a cosy on the hosy (poetic pause) then you are keeping the ambient room air from making condensation inside the hose but not heating the air. That is what has worked for me even if I may have the science wrong. You know what I mean?

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RE: Respironics System One Humidifier 50 Series vs. 60 Series - humidifier chamber lid
(10-08-2014 11:39 PM)Galactus Wrote:  Think of it this way. The rain out comes from condensation inside the hose. The condensation is coming from the temperature change between the hose and the rooms ambient air. OP says the air is already hot enough inside the hose so they don't want to heat it more. If you put a cosy on the hosy (poetic pause) then you are keeping the ambient room air from making condensation inside the hose but not heating the air. That is what has worked for me even if I may have the science wrong. You know what I mean?

The condensation occurs because the air in the hose loses heat in transit from the humidifier to the person using it. If you wrap the hose, you keep more of that heat from radiating away. This isn't quite as bad as actively heating the air, but the net result is still warmer air for the person at the receiving end.

For now, she's trying to get used to setting 5 in the System One Humidification "on" mode. We'll see how it goes.
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RE: Respironics System One Humidifier 50 Series vs. 60 Series - humidifier chamber lid
I wish happiness, that it now works with your settings!

Btw. the heated hose doesn't really 'heat', it warms up only a few degrees - fine, if it is controlled by the blower/humidifier. I can't feel it's working directly unless I compare it direct by touching an unheated one.

'too hot' can't be caused by a hose.

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RE: Respironics System One Humidifier 50 Series vs. 60 Series - humidifier chamber lid
(10-09-2014 02:23 AM)VotM Wrote:  
(10-08-2014 11:39 PM)Galactus Wrote:  Think of it this way. The rain out comes from condensation inside the hose. The condensation is coming from the temperature change between the hose and the rooms ambient air. OP says the air is already hot enough inside the hose so they don't want to heat it more. If you put a cosy on the hosy (poetic pause) then you are keeping the ambient room air from making condensation inside the hose but not heating the air. That is what has worked for me even if I may have the science wrong. You know what I mean?

The condensation occurs because the air in the hose loses heat in transit from the humidifier to the person using it. If you wrap the hose, you keep more of that heat from radiating away. This isn't quite as bad as actively heating the air, but the net result is still warmer air for the person at the receiving end.

For now, she's trying to get used to setting 5 in the System One Humidification "on" mode. We'll see how it goes.

Ok, so if you're having a rain out issue and she doesn't like the heat then why is it on 5? Let's start by turning it down to 2......

And just as a side note wrapping the hose loosely will not keep the heat in, it will just prevent the cold from condensing the water. And honestly the amount of temperature we are talking about here is negligible, it's just enough to add more moisture to the air in the area of a few degrees from ambient. Wrapping the hose just will create enough barrier to prevent the condensation. You have zero to lose by trying it.

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