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[Equipment] SoClean 2 - anyone try this gadget?
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[font=Arial][size=medium]Has anyone attempted to use the SoClean 2 series automated cleaner machine? Seems Expensive at over $300, even the compact travel version is over $200 by the time you buy a power adaptor (meant to work on batteries so the power supply is extra).

I'm about to go into the hospital for a laparotomy to remove part of my liver (NOT keyhole surgery). I learned that hospitals charge big bucks if you don't bring your machine [had pulmonary embolisms in March and the upfront charge was $1000 to use the hospital machine; "do I get to keep it?" I asked. No.]. Trying to minimize post-op infection and/or pneumonia.

Also wondered what adaptations are necessary for use with older (pre-2007) Philips Respironics REMstar Pro and REMstar Pro 2 with C-FLEX.

I acquired these machines from thriftstores after going through a sleep study almost 20 yrs. ago and being diagnosed as "normal" i.e. no apnea. I bought one with a complete outfit and carrying bag (obviously buying new masks hoses etc.) and saw the C-FLEX machine alone. I prefer the Pro with continuous air to the C-FLEX (so it's the backup) and have used them ever since.

One of these days I'll have to ask my current doctor for a prescription in order to buy a new CPAP machine but they seem to operate fine. The doctor will probably make me go through a sleep study again.

Sorry for long post.
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#2
No one has ever done a review of it (which I find surprising) but you can do a forum search.

Here, i did it for you.
http://www.apneaboard.com/forums/search....order=desc

Warning: the topic is rather hot as those who think it is hockey pucks firmly believe it is pucks and those who love it firmly love it. There doesn't seem to be much middle ground.
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#3
Thanks for your link. My searches didn't yield anything? I'd better read the forum instructions again.
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#4
Well, I've read through the stuff and am somewhat disheartened. However, as I have fewer than two weeks until the operation followed by 5-7 days in hospital, I decided to get it shipped. The medics and staff will probably laugh at me, or better yet, forbid the machine be brought into the room.

Thank you again.Sleep-well
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#5
Hi daddyvortex,
WELCOME! to the forum.!
I hope your surgery goes well.


Good luck to you as you continue your CPAP therapy.
trish6hundred
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#6
Use the money towards a current, better CPAP machine. The SoClean 2 is an expensive ozone generator of dubious benefit, does not clean the machine and it's disinfection effectiveness is not proven. For someone using 10-year old equipment you seriously need to look at an upgrade. You can find many good deals from online channels, and probably from your local Craigslist if you know what you're looking for.

More current machines provide full data, more comfort features, possibly auto-adjusting pressure, are generally smaller and quieter. Take a look for Philips Respironics 60 Series Remstar Pro or Auto, or the new Dreamstation series. Also Resmed S9 and Airsense 10 series. I'm seeing them practically new, for the same money (<$250) as what you'd pay for this questionable cleaner.
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#7
It is not going to do you much good in the hospital. You will be breathing in the same air you are all day. It isn't going to be "cleaning" anything. And once the hospital hears it uses ozone, my bet is they kick it out.

The best thing to do for cleaning equipment in that situation is a little bit of soap, plenty of water, and air drying. Make everyone other than you that handles the mask and machine, make them wear NEW gloves.

Unless that mask is going to be touching wounded skin, the SoClean is useless to you in that situation. And like Sleeprider said, your money is better spent upgrading your machine.
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I was looking at the device for superior cleaning and germ control and I was amazed to find that most experience was anecdotal. One blurb claimed that someone, somewhere measured bacterial growth before and after and found the bacteria count less after use. The same result can often be achieved with mild soap and water applied on a religious schedule.

For a lot less money, I found that you can use Control III, a hospital-grade disinfectant, for all external parts, but not the machine itself. Replace the filter often and keep your mask, hose, and water chamber clean. Be careful with the cleaning solution as it can be dangerous if not used as directed.
"The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." -- Marcus Aurelius
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Thanks for the advice.

I can cancel this order as I have a pre-op panel meeting where such issues would be discussed tomorrow or not open the package and return it. FWIW, I change the hoses frequently and the distilled water in the humidifier daily. The nasal pillow, I wash daily with liquid hand soap as I find that it seals better when not greasy with skin oils. I do have anti-bacterial wash (the brand name escapes me) I bought for disinfection of the hoses etc.

I have never had trouble with colds, flu or visible mold in the hoses/tank even given my relaxed attitude towards cleaning.Thanks
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#10
Your cleaning regimen sounds pretty good to me. I think if this method of disinfection was so good, you would see it in use in hospitals, DMEs and other locations where equipment might be distributed to multiple users. That is clearly not the case, and it is not the expense that keeps those organizations from using it, it is the proven efficacy vs proven simple cleaning methods. Good choice DV. Wishing you best of luck, and still would encourage you to look at a newer upgraded machine.

You have a prescription for a CPAP, and many never expire. Ask for a copy, and retain a copy of your old sleep study if you can get it. I recently used my 2008 sleep study to document sleep apnea for a new machine. A brand new Dreamstation Auto with heated hose can be had from Amazon for only $431, and I don't think they will ask for a copy of your Rx. Right or wrong, it's cheap. If you return the Soclean, your net cost is pretty low, and it doesn't get any cleaner than new!
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