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(10-19-2014, 01:55 PM)chd3143 Wrote:
(10-19-2014, 12:33 PM)readyforsleep Wrote: I FINALLY LISTENED TO RETIRED GUY, ( don't tell him
he was right) switched back to my Swift fx and my ahi is much, much better. I thought I was a confirmed mouth breather, but with the correct pressure and Retired Guys tongue to the roof of the mouth trick

Hey what was the trick?

This has worked for me and others- if my pressure is set correctly to keep my airway open, as I set up my chinstrap I touch my tongue to the roof of my mouth just behind my front teeth. This will block the air from escaping from your mouth, and since you are getting enough air through your nose there is no need to mouth breathe. The chin strap is gently applied as a reminder. When I first heard RG and Galactus
talk about this, I was very doubtful that it would work. However I was quite desperate and was ready to stand on my head if it would work.

I am thinking that my pressure wasnt at the proper theraputic level when i was a mouth breather. I was also using a brick then, so had no idea what was going on with my treatment. Hope this helps.
2010 sleep study 63 AHI, 2014 3.0
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(10-19-2014, 12:33 PM)readyforsleep Wrote: I'm trialing the P10 now and loving it ( SORRY, PAULA)

It's ok Ready, Soon she will be a convert. I sense she is even at this moment weakening......

Resistance is futile.

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I have found that a BrainPad athletic mouth guard prevents the jaw from sliding back (must be a double sided version) with the FFM and the straps can be alot looser.
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This has worked for me and others- if my pressure is set correctly to keep my airway open, as I set up my chinstrap I touch my tongue to the roof of my mouth just behind my front teeth.
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Hey there, I'm still not quite sure what you're saying. I mean, I get that you touch your tongue and everything, but are you saying that as you're tightening the strap, there's a point at which you stop? How tight to make the strap has always baffled me, so this is good info.

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Blocking the airway with your tongue is only sort of related to the chinstrap, and not at all to the mask.

Basically you want the chinstrap to be "gently applied." The idea is for it to "encourage," --- not force, the jaw to stay forward and the mouth to stay shut. You should still be able to open your mouth easily feeling just a little tension from the chinstrap. But that extra encouragement is enough so that when you fall asleep it is easier for your body to keep the jaw forward than to allow it to fall backward.

With the jaw forward, the natural place for your tongue to hang out is on the roof of your mouth, or behind the upper teeth. That creates the air block.

Once you get good at this you can actually open your mouth a little while the machine is going and hear the interesting noises, but air will not escape from your mouth. It's kind of a "slow news day" sort of a thing to do...
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That makes sense. So you were able to stop your mouth breathing with the nasal mask this way? My numbers are infinitely better with the nasal, but the mouth breathing is pretty bad once I'm in REM sleep. I almost always wake up freaking out during dreams -- likely because I'm drowning myself with air (hyperventilation, rapid heart rate, gas, etc.).

With the full face mask, my numbers are not as great, but I actually seem to sleep for longer stretches. The chin strap I have, but I've never really used it.
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I use a pillows mask (P10). The chinstrap allows me to keep a good seal on the airway. Nothing it, nothing out. The pillows mask and my pressures allow me to be a happy clam breathing only through my nosie.

I do not do anything to force my mouth to stay shut. I tried that early on and ended up with super pain in the what'sit'scalled gland between the jaw and the ear. So I do have to use a chinstrap, but doing it the way I described taught me to keep my mouth shut at night, and allow airway to seal off with the tongue. No dry mouth. No futz, No bother.
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(10-20-2014, 04:11 PM)chd3143 Wrote: That makes sense. So nere able to stop your mouth breathing with the nasal mask this way? My numbers are infinitely better with the nasal, but the mouth breathing is pretty bad once I'm in REM sleep. I almost always wake up freaking out during dreams -- likely because I'm drowning myself with air (hyperventilation, rapid heart rate, gas, etc.).

With the full face mask, my numbers are not as great, but I actually seem to sleep for longer stretches. The chin strap I have, but I've never really used it.

Yes, I am able to use the nasal mask with a chin strap and not mouth breathe. It is amazing... The first night was rough, I kept waking up to check that my tongue was
in the proper position. Once I experienced the air block, I was able to just sleep. It is wonderful for me not to be wearing a full face mask! Try it tonight..
2010 sleep study 63 AHI, 2014 3.0
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I found a good way to help train your tongue is to take a lifesaver or some other piece of small hard candy and hold it behind your front teeth on the roof of your mouth with your tongue and see how long you can keep it there .. I have gone hours with out dissolving it while watching TV and don't have mouth leaks any more !! Took me abut a month of doing this to train my tongue, so much better then a chin strap !!

Not sure but it seems to move my chin slightly forward so may help with peoples apnea's also ..
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