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RE: Neighbours Say I'm Loud
(06-28-2015 08:05 PM)Theysayimloud Wrote:  foss: Thanks for the quick reply. Yeah, I have mine started out at about 6.6, and it steps up to 7.6, where at most, it elevates to 16 if needed. I don't know, maybe the brain sends a signal that cancels out the snoring? I can't hear myself at all, but other people can. The only way I know is if it's so bad, I choke myself awake, but that only happens without the CPAP.

Me50 & Mosquitobait & nativedancer: I think the machine works fine. The noise it makes is no louder than before. The only increase in noise is from the raised setting increases, where more air is hitting into the mask, so when I breathe it sounds louder. (I'll try to hold my breath for 8 hours I suppose.) Seriously though, I'll try putting a towel under the machine and seeing if it might reduce something, but my machine is serviced at the doctor's, and I'm not sure taking it to them will help one bit.

The other day, I took a measurement of my dB levels at every action I take. Taking showers was around 50dB, the CPAP breathing at most peaked at 40dB.

Maybe I should just buy a "cone of silence", anyone remember that from the TV series "Get Smart"?

40 dB is far too loud for the machine - it is supposed to be at a maximum of 32dB for an outside listener at two metres and has a normal operating level of 26 dB. At 40 you are far louder than window mounted air conditioners from the 60's - this indicates something seriously wrong with the compressor - and if anyone can hear that from the next floor or next door, then you really need to move, and report the building to the local authorities, as that much sound transmission indicates the walls and ceiling are far below code - they should be proof against up to 60 dB and the norm is around 70 dB - Any vibration from the machine that is transmitted through the table or floor on which it stands can be dampened by a folded towel under it, and tank noise by a towel around the tank, although the S9 has an enclosed tank and doesn't make much if any tank noise.

At any rate, this level of machine noise would mean the machine is not doing the job at all, hence the snoring. You have a broken machine, and it needs to be replaced.
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06-29-2015 03:58 AM
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RE: Neighbours Say I'm Loud
(06-28-2015 08:07 PM)foss Wrote:  Maybe your neighbors are from Kaos?

Pf... Beats me. Maybe I should move to another planet, although considering how they like to listen onto every little thing I do, they might hear that too.
06-29-2015 08:09 AM
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MosquitoBait: Honestly a little hesitant at talking to the neighbors, things are pretty tense around here right now.
Sadly, I live in a 286 sq-ft studio, so there's nowhere else to move.
Was thinking about creating my own "box of silence", with a storage box lined with some acoustic foam. But that might get hot during these summer months, even with the AC on.

DeepBreathing: Thanks for the software suggestion. I'll download it right now.

DocWils: 40dB is what is peaks at during startup. It does tend to hover around the ranges you're talking about (this is measured with a phone on my app, not an actual professional dB meter).
The building was built in the 1950s. I'm not familiar with building codes, but something that old might be exempted from soundproofing and insulation? I'll look into it.
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If you neighbours can hear 26 dBs, then they are in the same room as you and sitting next to you - seriously, even the thinnest walls will stop around 40 dB, and during my time in NY in the '70's I was living in a tenement in the Bario behind Lincoln Center, and even with the ultra thin plasterboard walls there in slums that dated from the 40's and 50's there was better sound insulation than what you are indicating. If you have no choice but to stay, start hanging rugs on the walls and other methods to cut out echo in your flat or look into increasing the sound insulation on your walls - there are tons of companies in your region that specialise in that.
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(06-29-2015 08:50 AM)Theysayimloud Wrote:  MosquitoBait: Honestly a little hesitant at talking to the neighbors, things are pretty tense around here right now.
Sadly, I live in a 286 sq-ft studio, so there's nowhere else to move.
Was thinking about creating my own "box of silence", with a storage box lined with some acoustic foam. But that might get hot during these summer months, even with the AC on.

Your idea of a storage box or drawer lined with acoustic material should work fine without building up heat. You will need a port for makeup air, and it doesn't need to be very large. The airflow will keep the drawer at room temperature. I agree with others your machine may be damaged or defective. It would be interesting for you to compare it to one that works properly. Do you have access to a DME that could look at it?

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DocWils: Looking into shaggy carpets and sound foam as we speak.

Deep Breathing: Here are my results...
First Last Days AHI FL Machine Pressure Relief Mode Pressure Settings
Mon Jun 29 2015 Mon Jun 29 2015 1 0.83 0.00 VPAP Auto None VPAPauto PS 5.6 over 7.8-19.6 (cmH2O)
Sun Jun 28 2015 Sun Jun 28 2015 1 3.61 0.00 VPAP Auto None VPAPauto PS 5.6 over 7.6-19.6 (cmH2O)
Sat Jun 27 2015 Sat Jun 27 2015 1 0.45 0.00 VPAP Auto None VPAPauto PS 5.6 over 8.0-16.6 (cmH2O)
Fri Jun 26 2015 Fri Jun 26 2015 1 0.61 0.00 VPAP None VPAPauto PS 6.6 over 7.6-19.6 (cmH2O)
Thu Jun 25 2015 Thu Jun 25 2015 1 0.88 0.00 VPAP Auto EPR: Full Time 2cmH2O CPAP Fixed 8 (cmH2O)
Sun Jun 7 2015 Wed Jun 24 2015 18 0.75 0.00 VPAP None VPAPauto PS 4.0 over 4.0-25.0 (cmH2O)
Mon Apr 20 2015 Fri Jun 5 2015 47 0.18 0.00 VPAP Auto (36006) None VPAPauto PS 4.0 over 4.0-25.0 (cmH2O)

So let me explain... For the two weeks before going to the doctor, I noticed an increase in complaints from my neighbours, and one of them seriously went on a rampage because of it -the machine shows a dramatic increase to .75 AHI. June 24th, I went to the doctor, and he switched from VPAP mode to CPAP. But even then, it went from my average of .38 AHI before his calibration, to .88. My microphone recordings had me at 30 minutes of snoring altogether. That was when I decided to fiddle with my own settings. However, two points of concern are:
1. Why is it start in June, all of a sudden my AHI dramatically rose up even before the doctor's calibration?
2. June 28, I had a recording of 3.61. I recorded only 5 minutes of snoring altogether on my microphone, but I did notice I was breathing a lot harder all around. This was when I switched to sleeping upright.

Will continue to fiddle with the settings to get it back down to my average.
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(06-29-2015 09:34 AM)Sleeprider Wrote:  Your idea of a storage box or drawer lined with acoustic material should work fine without building up heat. You will need a port for makeup air, and it doesn't need to be very large. The airflow will keep the drawer at room temperature. I agree with others your machine may be damaged or defective. It would be interesting for you to compare it to one that works properly. Do you have access to a DME that could look at it?

When I went to my Doc and the DME department, they said there wasn't anything wrong with the machine itself. The doc said I had no apnea incidences, but because I mentioned the issue with the neighbours, he switched the settings to CPAP from VPAP, but that didn't really help.
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As long as the drawers are not sliding in and out, the drapes are not opening and closing on their own, and birds are not flying into the window panes, you're probably quiet enough by now.
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(06-29-2015 10:18 AM)Theysayimloud Wrote:  
(06-29-2015 09:34 AM)Sleeprider Wrote:  Your idea of a storage box or drawer lined with acoustic material should work fine without building up heat. You will need a port for makeup air, and it doesn't need to be very large. The airflow will keep the drawer at room temperature. I agree with others your machine may be damaged or defective. It would be interesting for you to compare it to one that works properly. Do you have access to a DME that could look at it?

When I went to my Doc and the DME department, they said there wasn't anything wrong with the machine itself. The doc said I had no apnea incidences, but because I mentioned the issue with the neighbours, he switched the settings to CPAP from VPAP, but that didn't really help.

what did your doctor do to check the machine and determine it is working properly? I can't imagine a doctor knowing how to work on/check out a machine for problems with it.
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Post: #20
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Hi Theysayimloud,
WELCOME! to the forum.!
Hopefully, you can get a different machine, as it shouldn't be that noisy.
Much success to you with your CPAP therapy and getting your problems straightened out.

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