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Homemade FFM liner? Fleece? Please help. Face messed up.
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JVinNE Offline

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Sad Homemade FFM liner? Fleece? Please help. Face messed up.
I have Pad-a-Cheek liners, but they aren't so effective for keeping the dents in my face down from my F&P Simplus. I'm on ASV, so the pressure can get kind of high sometimes. I awaken with deep ridges in my face, and if I loosen the mask, I get a lot of leaks. Have begged DME to help; no help.

Has anyone here had success with making a homemade liner out of fleece? I tried one made by someone else; bought it online, but it made the mask leak, but... it did not go all the way around the mask, just halfway.

Please help. My face is getting mangled. It is ruining my appearance, and it's adding to my already existing anxiety issues.

Thank you.
10-13-2015 01:26 PM
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Shastzi Offline

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RE: Homemade FFM liner? Fleece? Please help. Face messed up.
Sounds like you might need to try several different masks if you haven't already.

Another trick is cleaning your face and mask seal with alcohol or wet-ones.
Let the mask dry for a few minutes and then coat it from an Elmers (non-toxic) glue stick.
Loosen up your straps and stick it on your face, then run a mask/pressure test on it.
Slowly tighten the straps in an orderly fashion until the leak stops.
It should be just sitting on your face then with very little seal pressure against your skin.
If it still doesn't hold pressure then
you need to try a different mask design.

Best of luck!

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(This post was last modified: 10-13-2015 02:50 PM by Shastzi.)
10-13-2015 02:49 PM
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JVinNE Offline

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RE: Homemade FFM liner? Fleece? Please help. Face messed up.
Allergic to glue. Sad
Can you stomach or side sleep with the fitlife?
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10-13-2015 04:48 PM
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Ghost1958 Offline

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RE: Homemade FFM liner? Fleece? Please help. Face messed up.
(10-13-2015 04:48 PM)JVinNE Wrote:  Allergic to glue. Sad
Can you stomach or side sleep with the fitlife?

Yes you can side sleep easily in a Fitllife.
But I doubt your leaks will be any better.
I have both and have used both alot.

The fitlife wont mark your face any less just in different places. It wont handle high pressue any better than a simplus either.
I like the Fitlife for specific situations where i cant have any thing touching my nose and it is comfortable.
I like the Simplus a bit better .
My usual mask is the Eason
My pressues in ffm get pretty high as well .
Nasal mask max is about 6 cm lower.
You might try nasal and chin strap with boil and bite mouth guard if mouth leaking is a problem
10-13-2015 11:01 PM
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RE: Homemade FFM liner? Fleece? Please help. Face messed up.
With your max pressure at 13, the mask should hold. Mine is 20 and the Remzz liners work fine most nights.

You can't do it with fleece. It is too thick. You need a thin, thin, super thin old tee shirt or other cotton material. Like an old comfy hanky maybe.

But, seriously, try another mask. I know you probably have but if you are having to crank the Simplus down that tight? It isn't the mask for you. While the Simplus is not one of those "needs to float on your face" FFMs, it does like to be lightly held on. It also is best sitting low on the face, with the bottom of it well below the bottom lip. At least that is how it fits best on me. I can go weeks and have little to no leaks then suddenly have a week where I cannot stop the leaking. Then, suddenly, it is fine again. I have no idea what I do differently.

Wash the pillow well and let air dry. Wash your face well just prior to bed. If you try the liners again, make sure you get the right size and the right one for your mask. Meaning get the one for the Simplus in your size. I accidentally got the one for the Simplus medium (I use small) and it didn't work.

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10-13-2015 11:10 PM
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Ghost1958 Offline

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RE: Homemade FFM liner? Fleece? Please help. Face messed up.
(10-13-2015 11:10 PM)PaulaO2 Wrote:  With your max pressure at 13, the mask should hold. Mine is 20 and the Remzz liners work fine most nights.

You can't do it with fleece. It is too thick. You need a thin, thin, super thin old tee shirt or other cotton material. Like an old comfy hanky maybe.

But, seriously, try another mask. I know you probably have but if you are having to crank the Simplus down that tight? It isn't the mask for you. While the Simplus is not one of those "needs to float on your face" FFMs, it does like to be lightly held on. It also is best sitting low on the face, with the bottom of it well below the bottom lip. At least that is how it fits best on me. I can go weeks and have little to no leaks then suddenly have a week where I cannot stop the leaking. Then, suddenly, it is fine again. I have no idea what I do differently.

Wash the pillow well and let air dry. Wash your face well just prior to bed. If you try the liners again, make sure you get the right size and the right one for your mask. Meaning get the one for the Simplus in your size. I accidentally got the one for the Simplus medium (I use small) and it didn't work.

Agree with Paula. At max 13 you shouldnt be having leak problems or having to cinch a Simplus down. My pressure runs much higher.
Im guessing you either have a size to large cushion or your wearing the mask too high on your nose.
10-13-2015 11:38 PM
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