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I hate the health care system
#1
For years I have had numbness in my left hand, and from the symptoms it has to be the radial nerve. I suspect that it is connected to a bad childhood fracture above the elbow. Lately it has become really bad, waking me up from the pain in the middle of the night. Clearly I need to see a neurologist.

I asked my good friend Mr. Google if he knew any neurologists in my city, and he certainly did - dozens of them. I called a few and each time was told that they would not see me without a referral from my primary care physician. So I called my primary care physician's office and was told that they would not give me a referral because it has been over a year since my last physical.

This really pisses me off.
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(06-19-2013, 02:53 PM)JJJ Wrote: So I called my primary care physician's office and was told that they would not give me a referral because it has been over a year since my last physical.

Ah, you have the extortion plan.

HMO: Happily Monetizing Overlords.


I've got another one:

PPO: Preferred Price Obstructions
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It's times like these that make me glad that I have no health insurance and no premiums and no "overlord" telling me which doctor or what medical service or device I can get.

The system just gets more and more complicated, complex and inconvenient the more "progress" we make. I say we should just all "opt-out" and "just say no" to health care insurance altogether.

Just sayin'.... Eat-popcorn
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(06-19-2013, 10:57 PM)SuperSleeper Wrote: It's times like these that make me glad that I have no health insurance and no premiums and no "overlord" telling me which doctor or what medical service or device I can get.

I already tried essentially that. When the neurologists wanted a referral from a PCP I told them I had no insurance and would pay cash. No go. None of the neurologists in this city will see me without a referral from a PCP. I also tried telling them I didn't have a PCP. Still no go.

Ambulance driver to bleeding victim at a car wreck: "I'm sorry sir, unless you can give us a referral from your primary care physician we cannot transport you to the hospital."

Where will this crap end?

What I find especially irritating is that my own PCP won't give me a referral because it's been over a year since my last physical.

I see a trip to Tijuana in my near future.
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#5
It's out of control. I hate to say it but even with the changes coming up in national healthcare, I think it's only going to get worse with even more bureaucracy and idiocy like this.

Oh-jeez
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#6
On my recent visit to the G.P. he told me that there's a serious lack of doctors and that one of the changes coming is that patients won't be seeing the doctor directly anymore. Instead, the doctor will oversee a team of Physician Assistants. They will see patients and be the interface to the doctor.

I really hope that's just a bunch of horse-hockey. Sad
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#7
It can be frustrating but I understand it. The system wishes you as a patient to participate in your own health care. But only within the parameters that have been set up by the folks that are a lot smarter than we are. I think the idea is to keep patients from diagnosing their own symptoms. Which of course I have done. In a way it protects me from myself. I don't like it but I understand it.
Lee
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#8
Thanks for all the comments.

I found a neurology clinic that will take a referral from a physician's assistant, and they recommended one to see. I have an appointment with the physician's assistant Monday morning. And the neurology clinic said they can see me within a day or two after they get the referral.

It's not ideal, but it's faster than Tijuana. I just have to spend another week waking up repeatedly during the night from the pain in my hand.
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#9
As long as the Fox, (Health Insurance companies) are allowed to write the operating rules for the henhouse.
(health care system & its laws)
this will continue.

As for a neurologist that only accepts referrals it's time we remind these clowns of their Hypocratic Oath.

"First, do no harm to the patient"

By turning away a patient they have, by inaction, caused potential harm.
(Even robots are better than that! (Three Laws of Robotics: Issac Isamov)

Cheers and good luck!
"With ordinary talent and extraordinary perseverance, all things are attainable." - Thomas Foxwell Buxton

Cool
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(06-20-2013, 10:20 PM)JJJ Wrote: Thanks for all the comments.

I found a neurology clinic that will take a referral from a physician's assistant, and they recommended one to see. I have an appointment with the physician's assistant Monday morning. And the neurology clinic said they can see me within a day or two after they get the referral.

It's not ideal, but it's faster than Tijuana. I just have to spend another week waking up repeatedly during the night from the pain in my hand.

JJJ,

That's what you get for being healthy and not being on a TON of prescription meds which require periodic visits to the doctor.!!! Laugh-a-lot

Glad you found a clinic that could fit you in.
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