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(12-22-2015 07:57 PM)Sleeprider Wrote:  
(12-22-2015 05:26 PM)justMongo Wrote:  
(12-22-2015 05:16 PM)Sleeprider Wrote:  You have an unusual inspiration/expiration ratio of about 2.5:1.0 (exhale longer than inhale).

I think you mean inhale longer than exhale.

Expiration time is usually about twice the inhale time -- so good catch as it does seem unusual.
The medical significance is unknown to me.

Exactly. My dyslexic interpretation should be reversed.
I think it's because of the anxiety, the way I deal with trying to get used to the cpap, just started on thyroid medicine, having a heart condition yada yada. Maybe will get better with time. Want to see my cardio after Christmas. I dunno. Tomorrow Im seeing my GP cuz I also suspect I have adrenal fatigue. Im a scrapyard.

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12-22-2015 08:46 PM
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Post: #12
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(12-22-2015 07:57 PM)Sleeprider Wrote:  
(12-22-2015 05:26 PM)justMongo Wrote:  Expiration time is usually about twice the inhale time -- so good catch as it does seem unusual.
The medical significance is unknown to me.

Exactly. My dyslexic interpretation should be reversed.

Interesting. My inhale times are generally much longer than my exhales. As a youth I did a lot of singing and flute playing and learned to inhale with my diaphragm, and I still do this out of habit. My sleeping in breath goes up fairly steeply, then rises more slowly for a bit, and then again rises quickly to the maximum, then drops down to full exhalation very quickly. The out breath curve is much steeper than the in breath curve.

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12-22-2015 09:57 PM
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Post: #13
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Ed, that is the normal situation, and true for me as well. There are some who have inverse inspiraton /expiration ratio, and I can't find that it has any significance at all. In the Beginner's Guide to Sleepyhead, the article does not assign any significance to the issue, and it really doesn't come up on internet searches. Generally the normal range seems to be 3:1 to 1:1, but as we see here, there are folks out there with 1:2.5+

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(12-22-2015 10:13 PM)Sleeprider Wrote:  Ed, that is the normal situation, and true for me as well. There are some who have inverse inspiraton /expiration ratio, and I can't find that it has any significance at all. In the Beginner's Guide to Sleepyhead, the article does not assign any significance to the issue, and it really doesn't come up on internet searches. Generally the normal range seems to be 3:1 to 1:1, but as we see here, there are folks out there with 1:2.5+
And as I detailed look at my graph, I have every breathing pattern known to man in there lol.

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(12-22-2015 10:13 PM)Sleeprider Wrote:  Ed, that is the normal situation, and true for me as well. There are some who have inverse inspiraton /expiration ratio, and I can't find that it has any significance at all. In the Beginner's Guide to Sleepyhead, the article does not assign any significance to the issue, and it really doesn't come up on internet searches. Generally the normal range seems to be 3:1 to 1:1, but as we see here, there are folks out there with 1:2.5+

Well mine seems to be five or six seconds on the inhale, and one second for the exhale. Based on looking at detailed flow rates on a few random nights and times when I am pretty sure I was asleep.

I'm not worried by it since I've obviously been doing it for many years and haven't woken up dead yet.

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(12-22-2015 11:04 PM)eseedhouse Wrote:  
(12-22-2015 10:13 PM)Sleeprider Wrote:  Ed, that is the normal situation, and true for me as well. There are some who have inverse inspiraton /expiration ratio, and I can't find that it has any significance at all. In the Beginner's Guide to Sleepyhead, the article does not assign any significance to the issue, and it really doesn't come up on internet searches. Generally the normal range seems to be 3:1 to 1:1, but as we see here, there are folks out there with 1:2.5+

Well mine seems to be five or six seconds on the inhale, and one second for the exhale. Based on looking at detailed flow rates on a few random nights and times when I am pretty sure I was asleep.

I'm not worried by it since I've obviously been doing it for many years and haven't woken up dead yet.
Well, Ed and Sleeprider, thats kind of how I feel also. I wake up every morning. Its just the getting to sleep thats my big issue.

Im picking up a Dreamware mask tomorrow and giving that a try. What the heck.

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12-23-2015 12:51 AM
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(12-22-2015 10:13 PM)Sleeprider Wrote:  Ed, that is the normal situation, and true for me as well. There are some who have inverse inspiraton /expiration ratio, and I can't find that it has any significance at all. In the Beginner's Guide to Sleepyhead, the article does not assign any significance to the issue, and it really doesn't come up on internet searches. Generally the normal range seems to be 3:1 to 1:1, but as we see here, there are folks out there with 1:2.5+

I suppose it might be "a" normal situation for inhalation to last twice as long as exhalation, but I think it is not "the" most common situation.

If I look at the suggested guidelines for setting the inhale period in the setup manual for my backup machine (S9 bilevel Auto machine), when using Spontaneous ("S") mode the setup manual appears to suggest it is most common for the inhale period to last about one third of the time between one breath and the next. This would make exhalation last about twice as long as inhalation.

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Post: #18
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Once again, I manged to describe it backwards in the ratios above. Yes, exhale is generally longer than inhale. The very long inspiration rates and very short exhale of a couple charts I have seen lately, are interesting, but as I said, there is no good information out there on its significance if any.

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Actually, folks, I woke up today with no headache. I actually felt good enough to go to my shop and finish fixing the heater on my Vette. I havent been to my shop in a week and a half. My AHI was around 4 and today my anxiety level is really low. Still had to take 1/2 an Ambien to get over the hump but hoping that may stop soon.

Saw my GP and theres a few other things I need to taper off on so I actually think (with caution) that things are looking up.

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Hey Mark. Glad to hear the good results.

If you are a GTOdude how come you have a Vette???

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