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Is there any way this person doesn't have OSA?
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RE: Is there any way this person doesn't have OSA?
Well done! The only thing I would add to the comments already made, is that it looks like positional therapy or a soft cervical collar, along with the pressure, might be a good way to deal with the clusters. I doubt you will learn much you don't already know from the home sleep study, but I do relate to the scientific inquiry and devious approach in this thread..."I have a relative".

LOL Well played!
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#12
RE: Is there any way this person doesn't have OSA?
The link didn't say, but did you have a leg movement sensor on? If not, I would set up a video camera, to rule put PLMD

Seeing it's you and there is no need to pussy foot around. Of course you have sleep apnea, or you sleep on your back and have your chin on your chest all night. Or a very angry wife with a big pillow.
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#13
RE: Is there any way this person doesn't have OSA?
FWIW I'm on board and in agreement with others. That sure looks like someone that probably has apnea. Ditto on trying higher pressures and see what the results are.

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RE: Is there any way this person doesn't have OSA?
(12-29-2017, 05:53 PM)Sleeprider Wrote:
(12-29-2017, 05:00 PM)Sleep2Snore Wrote: They need to get a proper sleet study done.
It's far too cold for sleet here!

This just in the news, sleet studies are now free with an app SarcasticDave94 created. It's called LOTW. Look out the window and study sleet. Do so at your own risk as SarcasticDave94 is not gonna be responsible. like

OK sorry Shin Ryoku, hope you get the help you need.
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RE: Is there any way this person doesn't have OSA?
Keep us updated on the methods you use.
If someone is up to waking up in middle of night, they could up the pressure without turning off the machine. Kinda split study.
As I don't have a sleep study I wouldn't mind using your method to test my untreated apnea.
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RE: Is there any way this person doesn't have OSA?
(12-29-2017, 06:56 PM)Sleeprider Wrote: ... but I do relate to the scientific inquiry and devious approach in this thread..."I have a relative".  

LOL Well played!


In my defense, I said "But suppose for example that I suspect a family member..."

So I didn't exactly say I had a family member.

Big Grin

Thanks for not all killing me for being a little devious!
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RE: Is there any way this person doesn't have OSA?
(12-29-2017, 06:56 PM)Sleeprider Wrote: Well done! The only thing I would add to the comments already made, is that it looks like positional therapy or a soft cervical collar, along with the pressure, might be a good way to deal with the clusters.

I tried a collar, actually a few of them, and they exacerbate a chronic neck issue I get that pops up with prolonged neck extension. I definitely get my OAs in clusters, regardless of pressure. Tried putting tennis balls under a back brace to stay off my back, but that was really uncomfortable. Now trying to track position using wearable devices to see if they correlate with clusters. I was also wondering if those clusters could be REM related.

(12-29-2017, 06:59 PM)ajack Wrote: The link didn't say, but did you have a leg movement sensor on? If not, I would set up a video camera, to rule put PLMD

No leg sensor with my study. But my wife is a relatively light sleeper and has never noticed anything along those lines.

(12-29-2017, 06:59 PM)ajack Wrote: Seeing it's you and there is no need to pussy foot around. Of course you have sleep apnea, or you sleep on your back and have your chin on your chest all night. Or a very angry wife with a big pillow.

Thanks, I am glad to hear that, because treatment has helped me to feel better. I just hope my study shows the same!

(12-29-2017, 07:10 PM)freetime Wrote: Keep us updated on the methods you use.
If someone is up to waking up in middle of night, they could up the pressure without turning off the machine. Kinda split study.
As I don't have a sleep study I wouldn't mind using your method to test my untreated apnea.

Will do!

Thanks again, all!
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RE: Is there any way this person doesn't have OSA?
(12-29-2017, 05:53 PM)Sleeprider Wrote: Call me a cynic, but blowing $3000 on a sleep study is rarely worthwhile. This "screening" test has all the merit of a home sleep study.

(12-29-2017, 06:45 PM)Shin Ryoku Wrote: All of it points to OSA, but I still have a sliver of doubt since I didn't do it the right way.

I did recently do a type 2 home sleep study from this online service: http://axgsleepdiagnostics.com/product/c...nattended/

Unfortunately I spent little of the study night sleeping - had a lot of anxiety about whether the leads might fall off or the battery die on the test unit. Hopefully I slept enough to get a diagnosis!

Anyway, thanks again, everyone. I will wait for my study results and share them when they arrive!


So I got the results of my study:

https://imgur.com/a/kZqoh

It was worth it to me to remove that tiny bit of doubt. Also, if I go to a sleep specialist with questions, I'll have something to reference that they will accept.

I'm glad I went with the home sleep study instead of the much more expensive lab study. My insurance wasn't going to pay anything until I met a $3k deductible. This cost me $459, and I am very happy with the service provided!
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RE: Is there any way this person doesn't have OSA?
The results of your test seemed pretty clear-cut, and the interpretation of the home study confirms that you got a good quality sleep test at 4 cm pressure. This is useful information! It's worthwhile to remove any doubt and be assured you are pursuing an effective and correct treatment. I'm glad we were able to help your "relative". Smile
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#20
RE: Is there any way this person doesn't have OSA?
You might also consider putting a recording SPO2 sensor on this person overnight while NOT wearing a CPAP mask to see what it shows.  

I use the Contec CMS50F.  When I used it (I have sleep apnea) it showed lots of fluctuations and a few O2 drops below 88.  I then used my wife as a baseline and she had only one drop, which stayed above 88, and a very few fluctuations..

Ahh... Never mind.  I see you already had a sleep study that did this for you.  All the same, it is interesting sometimes to wear the sensor while using the CPAP machine to see the difference it makes...
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