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Machine hours
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03-13-2015, 10:35 AM
RE: Machine hours
My machine is PR System One P560. I got it new. The machine hours are 385.6 and the blower hours are 385.6. My Sleepyhead data are 385.6. There are no "cool-down" hours to be had.
03-13-2015, 11:23 AM
RE: Machine hours
03-13-2015, 11:45 AM
RE: Machine hours
(03-13-2015, 10:20 AM)me50 Wrote:(03-13-2015, 08:30 AM)BillMar Wrote: Everyone, What a bunch of BS. Prove them wrong by recording both blower hours and machine hours, then compare the difference again after a couple nights. If the gap is increasing, they are correct. If not, you caught a manufacturer's rep in a bold faced lie. Use that as part of your leverage for a new machine.
Sleeprider
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03-13-2015, 04:39 PM
RE: Machine hours
Most of the time, insurance requires that you rent to own for a CPAP machine. If so, you don't have a right to a new unit as a rental machine. Do you expect the DME to throw away all the rental machines that come back after a month or two when the patient gives up? Don't forget that a fair percent of the new CPAP users quit.
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03-13-2015, 05:09 PM
RE: Machine hours
Archangle,
I understand your point, and can understand the DME's interests. I guess what I would expect is that they would use the recycled machines on all new CPAP patients until they are confirmed users-say at the 90 days which Medicare seems to require, and then substitute a "new out of the box" machine for the continuing customers, as I fully expect to be. In that way I would have the full manufacturer's time guarantee, and not be looking at usage on the machine by others that I have to fit in my 5 year time frame for another new machine covered by Medicare. It seems to me 5 years is a long time for a machine getting 8 hours a day of usage to last--14000+ hours. But who knows I am very new at this. Maybe they do last this long. And as I have seen in other posts I may have to buy my own if it fails or the technology undergoes significant improvement during the period. I can't imagine going back to living without CPAP even for a few weeks while something gets repaired or debated with the supplier. BillMar (03-13-2015, 04:39 PM)archangle Wrote: Most of the time, insurance requires that you rent to own for a CPAP machine. If so, you don't have a right to a new unit as a rental machine. Do you expect the DME to throw away all the rental machines that come back after a month or two when the patient gives up? Don't forget that a fair percent of the new CPAP users quit.
03-13-2015, 05:19 PM
RE: Machine hours
(03-13-2015, 05:09 PM)BillMar Wrote: Archangle, This does not seem like a sustainable business plan unless the DME can guarantee new customers at a rate that will pay for the slightly used machines as well as the ones they end up with. Doesn't sound like a way to break even to me, let alone return a profit.
Ed Seedhouse
VA7SDH Part cow since February 2018. Trust your mind less and your brain more.
03-13-2015, 05:37 PM
RE: Machine hours
I think the point is, most of us would rather have a tooth extraction than deal with a conventional DME. We know what they do, what they charge, and how they make multiple profits off machines. These are the guys who will sell you a CPAP with integrated humidifier, and charge you separately for the machine, humidifier, humidifier chamber, hose, mask, headgear, cushions, filters, etc.
This is not a group of people with a lot of sympathy for these businesses, reselling used equipment at the price of new.
Sleeprider
Apnea Board Moderator www.ApneaBoard.com ____________________________________________ Download OSCAR Software Soft Cervical Collar Optimizing Therapy Organize your OSCAR Charts Attaching Files Mask Primer How To Deal With Equipment Supplier INFORMATION ON APNEA BOARD FORUMS OR ON APNEABOARD.COM SHOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED AS MEDICAL ADVICE. ALWAYS SEEK THE ADVICE OF A PHYSICIAN BEFORE SEEKING TREATMENT FOR MEDICAL CONDITIONS, INCLUDING SLEEP APNEA. INFORMATION POSTED ON THE APNEA BOARD WEB SITE AND FORUMS ARE PERSONAL OPINION ONLY AND NOT NECESSARILY A STATEMENT OF FACT.
03-13-2015, 06:22 PM
RE: Machine hours
(03-13-2015, 05:37 PM)Sleeprider Wrote: I think the point is, most of us would rather have a tooth extraction than deal with a conventional DME. We know what they do, what they charge, and how they make multiple profits off machines. These are the guys who will sell you a CPAP with integrated humidifier, and charge you separately for the machine, humidifier, humidifier chamber, hose, mask, headgear, cushions, filters, etc. I agree they shouldn't sell a "slightly used" machine as a "new" machine. I would think this could be a dangerous practice and be risky to the business - lawyers buy CPAP machines, you know. On the other hand I don't think it's a good idea to think that a few bad DME suppliers means they are *all* bad ones. And just because a DME supplier for one brand in one city are bad it doesn't mean a DME supplier for the same brand in another city will be. So long as they tell you the machine they are selling is "slightly used" and offer people a reasonable discount I have no objection. If on the other hand you have strong evidence that a supplier is definitely selling a used machine as new then I think you should maybe talk to a lawyer if you can't get them to deal with you reasonably.
Ed Seedhouse
VA7SDH Part cow since February 2018. Trust your mind less and your brain more.
03-13-2015, 07:37 PM
RE: Machine hours
I wouldn't have pushed it except for the rep who fed the totally B.S. line that the machine keeps running to cool down.
Seriously, it's one thing to deceive, and completely another to treat me like I'm stupid.
Sleeprider
Apnea Board Moderator www.ApneaBoard.com ____________________________________________ Download OSCAR Software Soft Cervical Collar Optimizing Therapy Organize your OSCAR Charts Attaching Files Mask Primer How To Deal With Equipment Supplier INFORMATION ON APNEA BOARD FORUMS OR ON APNEABOARD.COM SHOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED AS MEDICAL ADVICE. ALWAYS SEEK THE ADVICE OF A PHYSICIAN BEFORE SEEKING TREATMENT FOR MEDICAL CONDITIONS, INCLUDING SLEEP APNEA. INFORMATION POSTED ON THE APNEA BOARD WEB SITE AND FORUMS ARE PERSONAL OPINION ONLY AND NOT NECESSARILY A STATEMENT OF FACT.
03-13-2015, 11:31 PM
RE: Machine hours
(03-13-2015, 07:37 PM)Sleeprider Wrote: I wouldn't have pushed it except for the rep who fed the totally B.S. line that the machine keeps running to cool down. Just to be clear for those reading, the ResMed machines do blow for a humidifier cool down period. PRS1 machines don't.
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