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#81
(05-18-2015, 06:11 PM)Mark Douglas Wrote: No mongo.
Meant exactly what I wrote. The man thinks quality of life after 75 our lives are so poor we should not try to prolong our time on earth. Life after 75 isn't worth living.

Are you maybe referring to this article?

http://www.theatlantic.com/features/arch...75/379329/

If that is your summation of this article, then I suggest you read it again.

My Mom actually agrees with many of the points of this article and she is in fabulous health, although this year she can no longer heft the 40 pound bags of cat litter and dirt - 35 pounds seems to be her limit. She's 81. She takes 2 pills (thyroid, cuz she doesn't have one and a vitamin). Not euthanasia, but no major efforts to prolong life. Me? I dither.
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#82
I just re watched Logan's Run not long ago. Whole new definition for "sand man".
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I know a gent in his mid 70's in Flawda who has 3 lady-friends he visits weekly in rotation and if he dies anytime soon it will be with a smile! He parrots George Burns when asked about his life style. " If they die, they die". LOL He isy hero Wink
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I want an "Idiocracy" chair with built in cpap machine when I hit 100.
I use my PAP machine nightly and I feel great!
Updated: Philips Respironics System One (60 Series)
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#83
(05-18-2015, 07:46 PM)Mosquitobait Wrote:
(05-18-2015, 06:11 PM)Mark Douglas Wrote: No mongo.
Meant exactly what I wrote. The man thinks quality of life after 75 our lives are so poor we should not try to prolong our time on earth. Life after 75 isn't worth living.

Are you maybe referring to this article?

http://www.theatlantic.com/features/arch...75/379329/

My Mom actually agrees with many of the points of this article and she is in fabulous health, although this year she can no longer heft the 40 pound bags of cat litter and dirt - 35 pounds seems to be her limit. She's 81. Not euthanasia, but no major efforts to prolong life.

It is the old slippery slope thing. If I break my leg at 90 jumping out a bedroom window I want a cast but if it's liver cancer then I'll off myself when I think it is time. What I don't want is some bureaucrat making that decision for me.
When I get to the point I'm afraid I won't be able to take care of myself I plan on rum and sedatives.
I use my PAP machine nightly and I feel great!
Updated: Philips Respironics System One (60 Series)
RemStar BiPAP Auto with Bi-FlexModel 760P -
Rise Time x3 Fixed Bi-Level EPAP 9.0 IPAP 11.5 (cmH2O)
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#84
At 78, I consider the statement,"Life after 75 isn't worth living", a bad way to reap the results of another axiom, "Be careful what you wish for, you may get it".

I have days (and some nights) when it seems there might be an element of truth in his statement but until they become the majority, I'll keep on enjoying the borrowed time I am being given. I hope nobody holds it against me since someone will have to die prematurely to maintain the average.

I'll be climbing a sixty foot oak tree tomorrow to top it and then drop the remainder down on the street to limb it out and section the trunk up to give away as firewood. I have a hernia but it doesn't bother me enough to make surgery appealing. I recognize that when I get where I'm going, I won't need to be able to do heavy lifting. My dad was always fond of the statement, "You don't need to have the best teeth in the graveyard". That's a bit of pessimism that you can live by (or die by). If we only knew which part we need to take the most care of...
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#85
One of my best friends turned 90 last Christmas Day.
He has almost completed his doctoral dissertation about education systems.
He wants to get it done before he needs knee surgery.
He completed his Masters about 3 years ago with Double Honors [Australian.]
I think he was put on some kind of meds this year for blood pressure. Maybe it's that 1 beer a day that's finally caught up with him.
Dont-know


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#86
I subscribe to that "one beer a day" regimen, but I must admit it doesn't go well with frozen margaritas.

I take no meds (zero, nada, zip) and my doctor thinks I should at least take a statin, he suggested Crestor. I tried it for a week or two and had such painful legs that I gave it up. I don't really have a high cholesterol level anyway but this particular doctor thinks statins should be included in the municipal water systems. That's the trouble with going to a specialist, you will often have whatever malady they specialize in, whether you like it (or have it) or not.

Fool that I am, I haven't had any vaccinations since I lined up in that long olive drab queue in Uncle Sam's army. I plan on living forever, so far so good. YMMV
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#87
That crap ruined my wife's feet! Be glad you quit in time.
My eldest aunt is 92 and like you takes no meds and never has.
She did need a shoulder rebuilt last year. They thought her pain med pump wasn't working. She told them quite bluntly she doesn't take pain killers or any other meds. Scots Irish hill people are tough! I don't care to ride in her car as she drives like the proverbial bat outa heck. If I get the OSA under control and avoid the paternal cancer history I'll dance on that guy's grave for his hubris.
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Mosquitobait I have read it. He does spend a lot of time on how people 75 yrs and up are a burden to their young. I'm sorry but healthcare is being rationed right now and how long will it be until longevity is directly rationed? Why does he feel the need to write that piece at all? To explain to us dolts we are selfish to want to live beyond a time he thinks as appropriate? To instill guilt and suggest living long is "unfair" to younger people? If you really love your kids you would just drop dead and stop being a burden? Why not 70 or 65 since it's all down hill anyway? Can you see where this leads?
I use my PAP machine nightly and I feel great!
Updated: Philips Respironics System One (60 Series)
RemStar BiPAP Auto with Bi-FlexModel 760P -
Rise Time x3 Fixed Bi-Level EPAP 9.0 IPAP 11.5 (cmH2O)
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#88
It's funny, but I've noticed my thoughts on getting "old" have changed quite a bit as I have gotten 'older'. I do not agree with 'living at any cost', but rather believe in 'quality of life', as a yardstick for myself. As issues stack up, and the list of problems that won't ever go away gets longer-I do tend to wonder what my life will be like in 10, 20, or even 30 years from now (53 currently).

I went through the entire process of getting old, having COPD, falls, strokes, dementia, and all that with a grand-mother, father in-law, and mother in-law. In all three cases it was tough on both them and family. My father got cancer in his early 50s, and passed in 14 months, only his last 6-7 months had a low 'quality of living'.
Stuff to think about.
*I* am not a DOCTOR or any type of Health Care Professional.  My thoughts/suggestions/ideas are strictly only my opinions.

"Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you. Jesus Christ and the American Soldier. One died for your Soul, the other for your Freedom."
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#89
Okay, read the article, understand his arguments, don't really agree, but it is his opinion and that's that. He chose to write it in a cheap, sensationalistic way to grab attention, but the underlying arguments are not incorrect at all, just I cannot agree with his conclusions, and will not. Quality of life is always a good argument at any age when facing disability, but joy of life is the best argument at any age, too. if he got a lot of younger people to think a bit about what they might face as they age and revise how they live, then he did all right. The rest is blather.
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#90
Doc if you factor who he is I and a lot of people see this a prepping the hoi polloi for the idea gvt will be telling you when it is time to die. Look up what prez obama said to Jane Sturm.
I do not wish to live beyond my dignity and independence but I don't want my life shortened if my joie de vivre is intact by some bean counter.
I know a heart surgeon and he told me very wealthy people come to him and spend every last dime to try to live another six months.....
May not make sense but is certainly human.
I use my PAP machine nightly and I feel great!
Updated: Philips Respironics System One (60 Series)
RemStar BiPAP Auto with Bi-FlexModel 760P -
Rise Time x3 Fixed Bi-Level EPAP 9.0 IPAP 11.5 (cmH2O)
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