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GrandGuignol Offline

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Joined: Aug 2016

Machine: Respironics BiPAP autoSV Advanced
Mask Type: Full face mask
Mask Make & Model: Resmed AirFit F10
Humidifier: System One Humidifier
CPAP Pressure: EPAP 11, PS Min 4, PS Max 6
CPAP Software: Not using software

Other Comments: How Grand was my Guignol?

Sex: Male
Location: Phoenix, AZ

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New ASV User Looking For Advice
Hello. I've been using CPAP for about 7 years and was on a Respironics System One APAP set from 6 to 15 and my 90% Pressure stayed around 9 - 10 for years with well controlled AHI. I loved my PAP and used it every night.

I was living at high altitude (7000 ft) for 3 years and began to exhibit Periodic Breathing about almost two years ago. I went for a new sleep study and was then prescribed a Respironics BiPAP autoSV Advanced set at EPAP 11, PS MIN 3 and PS MAX 8. I hated it from the first night and it would wake me up several times per night and I gave up on it after a few months and went back to my APAP.

Strangely enough, my Periodoc Breathing seemed to stop and everything went back to normal and I had no problems for well over a year. I'm living at a lower elevation now (~1000 ft) and my PB started to come back again. My AHI has remained at < 5 through all of this, BTW. I took the ASV out of the closet this weekend and started to use it again. PB is back down to 0% but I'm still waking up several times a night and having a hard time adjusting to the pressure.

Are the new ResMed Aircurve 10 ASVs really that much more sophisticated in "working with" one's breathing? I don't feel like my System One is adapting to me.

Does anyone have some suggestions for me on how to more easily adjust to the ASV? Also, am I making to much out of 5% PB per night? Maybe I should just go back to my APAP.

My insurance won't pay for a new machine yet but if the Aircurve 10 ASV is really as good as I've been hearing, maybe I will attempt to pay for one out of pocket.

Sorry for the long winded post. Thank you in advance for any/all suggestions you may have.
08-31-2016 11:11 PM
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OpalRose Offline

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Joined: Nov 2014

Machine: PR System One REMstar Auto 560 with A Flex
Mask Type: Nasal pillows
Mask Make & Model: AirFit P10 For Her
Humidifier: REMStar heated humidifier with heated hose
CPAP Pressure: Auto Cpap 10-13 AFLEX 1
CPAP Software: SleepyHead EncoreBasic

Other Comments: Started CPAP Therapy October 23, 2014

Sex: Female
Location: Northeast Ohio, USA

Post: #2
RE: New ASV User Looking For Advice
Hi GrandGuignol,
Welcome to Apnea Board!

It may be that your pressure settings need tweeked a bit. There are several ASV users here, so hang in there, I'm sure they will be able to advise.

OpalRose
(This post was last modified: 09-01-2016 06:20 AM by OpalRose.)
09-01-2016 06:19 AM
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richb Offline

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Joined: Jun 2015

Machine: Resmed AirCurve 10 ASV
Mask Type: Nasal mask
Mask Make & Model: ResMed Mirage FX
Humidifier: Built in
CPAP Pressure: Epap 6 Ipap 8 Auto ASV
CPAP Software: ResScan SleepyHead

Other Comments: Idiopathic Central Apnea

Sex: Male
Location: Vermont

Post: #3
RE: New ASV User Looking For Advice
Hi GrandGuignol,

Another welcome to the Apnea Board. I am an Aircurve 10 ASV user and I love the machine. Please install the Sleepyhead software and begin downloading your data so that we and you can get a better handle on what is going on. We would also like to know more about your original diagnosis. Specifically, your OA, hypopnea and periodic breathing events that may have been observed in your sleep study and the recommended pressures. Other things that we might look at are your response to different settings. In particular the differential between EPAP and IPAP as well as Pressure relief settings. That said, the higher the altitude the more chance for periodic breathing, and Central Apnea. CPAP users in CO have a higher incidence of Periodic Breathing than those at sea level. An original assumption is that you were being treated primarily for Obstructive Apnea. The goal would be to first control the OA and then tweak your settings to minimise the Periodic Breathing. An ASV machine might be overkill unless adjusting your traditional machine doesn't work. Keep us posted.

Rich

Apnea Board Member RobySue has posted a Beginners Guide to Sleepyhead Software here: http://www.apneaboard.com/wiki/index.php...SleepyHead
09-01-2016 07:36 AM
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trish6hundred Offline

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Joined: May 2012

Machine: Resmed S9 AutoSet for Her
Mask Type: Full face mask
Mask Make & Model: Fisher & Paykel Simplus
Humidifier: H5i Heated Humidifier
CPAP Pressure: 10 - 7-20 Cm H2O
CPAP Software: Not using software

Other Comments: I started CPAP in 2008. Totally blind since birth.

Sex: Female
Location: Missouri, USA

Post: #4
RE: New ASV User Looking For Advice
Hi GrandGuignol,
WELCOME! to the forum.!
Hang in there for more answers to your ASV questions and good luck to you with getting your machine adjusted to meet your needs.

trish6hundred
09-01-2016 10:14 AM
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GrandGuignol Offline

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Joined: Aug 2016

Machine: Respironics BiPAP autoSV Advanced
Mask Type: Full face mask
Mask Make & Model: Resmed AirFit F10
Humidifier: System One Humidifier
CPAP Pressure: EPAP 11, PS Min 4, PS Max 6
CPAP Software: Not using software

Other Comments: How Grand was my Guignol?

Sex: Male
Location: Phoenix, AZ

Post: #5
RE: New ASV User Looking For Advice
Thank you for the replies. I need to buy an SD card reader and then I will upload Sleepyhead data for you all to look at.

Since my last post I did some digging around and I changed two settings on my ASV which may make for a more comfortable night. I increased Biflex to 3 (from 2) and I also set Mask Resistance to 0 (from x1) since I am not using a Respironics mask.

RichD - My original sleep study was in 2009 or 2010 and I don't have a copy of it. It's from a previous doctor in a previous state, so you know how getting old data can be... Smile

We just moved into a new house and I will have to dig up my ASV Titration study but I know that's here somewhere.

I appreciate the welcome messages and I look forward to contributing here.
09-01-2016 11:43 PM
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srlevine1 Offline

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Joined: Sep 2015

Machine: ResMed Airsense Autoset (S10)
Mask Type: Nasal mask
Mask Make & Model: ResMed Mirage Activa LT
Humidifier: Internal to S10
CPAP Pressure: 12-15.6
CPAP Software: ResScan SleepyHead Other Software

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Sex: Male
Location: Westlake Village, California USA

Post: #6
RE: New ASV User Looking For Advice
(08-31-2016 11:11 PM)GrandGuignol Wrote:  Strangely enough, my Periodoc Breathing seemed to stop and everything went back to normal and I had no problems for well over a year. I'm living at a lower elevation now (~1000 ft) and my PB started to come back again. My AHI has remained at < 5 through all of this, BTW. I took the ASV out of the closet this weekend and started to use it again. PB is back down to 0% but I'm still waking up several times a night and having a hard time adjusting to the pressure.

Have you discussed the PB issue with your physician as it can be linked to cardiac issues (arrhythmias and fluids - chf)?

"Half of heart failure patients experience either OSA or central sleep apnea (CSA) with central nervous system–mediated periodic breathing, commonly referred to as Cheyne-Stokes respiration. Such cardiorespiratory disturbances profoundly alter autonomic nervous system activity and increase risk of arrhythmia, hypertension, and myocardial infarction. " http://circep.ahajournals.org/content/2/4/450.full

I noticed a new onset of Periodic Breathing, saw the cardiologist, and a simple blood test BNP (Brain natriuretic peptide) showed I was carrying extra fluid. An relatively easy fix with a mild diuretic.

Best of luck trying to get it all up and working again.

"The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." -- Marcus Aurelius
09-02-2016 03:00 AM
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richb Offline

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Posts: 539
Joined: Jun 2015

Machine: Resmed AirCurve 10 ASV
Mask Type: Nasal mask
Mask Make & Model: ResMed Mirage FX
Humidifier: Built in
CPAP Pressure: Epap 6 Ipap 8 Auto ASV
CPAP Software: ResScan SleepyHead

Other Comments: Idiopathic Central Apnea

Sex: Male
Location: Vermont

Post: #7
RE: New ASV User Looking For Advice
(09-02-2016 03:00 AM)srlevine1 Wrote:  Have you discussed the PB issue with your physician as it can be linked to cardiac issues (arrhythmias and fluids - chf)?

"Half of heart failure patients experience either OSA or central sleep apnea (CSA) with central nervous system–mediated periodic breathing, commonly referred to as Cheyne-Stokes respiration. Such cardiorespiratory disturbances profoundly alter autonomic nervous system activity and increase risk of arrhythmia, hypertension, and myocardial infarction. " http://circep.ahajournals.org/content/2/4/450.full

I noticed a new onset of Periodic Breathing, saw the cardiologist, and a simple blood test BNP (Brain natriuretic peptide) showed I was carrying extra fluid. An relatively easy fix with a mild diuretic.

srlevine1 makes a very good point in suggesting that you coordinate treatment with your cardiologist to be sure you are on the right track. The onset of Periodic Breathing and even worse Cheyne Stokes Respiration can be diagnostic when it comes to Chronic Heart Failure. There was a time when ASV was prescribed to treat these breathing anomalies with CPAP and ASV. Thinking is changing today when it comes to using ASV for Cheyne Stokes Respiration. Recent studies have shown that when ASV is used for patients with a low ejection fraction ( <35% ) mortality increases. It seems to me that a change in ones breathing pattern, especially the onset of Periodic Breathing, should trigger a visit to a cardiologist. An annual visit to a Sleep Dr probably wouldn't be sufficient to find subtle changes in breathing. Therefore I think it is very important to monitor your own breathing patterns using Sleepyhead or other high definition software.

Rich

Apnea Board Member RobySue has posted a Beginners Guide to Sleepyhead Software here: http://www.apneaboard.com/wiki/index.php...SleepyHead
09-02-2016 07:01 AM
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