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312capri Offline

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Machine: Respironics BiPAP Pro
Mask Type: Full face mask
Mask Make & Model: ResMed Quattro FX
Humidifier: Respironics System One Heated Humidifier
CPAP Pressure: 18/14
CPAP Software: SleepyHead

Other Comments: Quattro FX

Sex: Male
Location: New Mexico

Post: #1
New Mask Size
My DME supplier allowed me to exchange my Quattro FX size "medium" for a size "large" today... hope that fixes my leak problem. With the "medium" size mask after several hours of sleep my mouth would fall open and break the lower seal waking me up. Using the Quattro FX included sizing tool it appears the larger mask would fit better. My DME supplier has been a jewel to work with, I couldn't ask for a more personable and professional organization. I can't wait to see if this mask resolves the leakage issue!
06-07-2012 07:20 PM
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Posts: 265
Joined: Feb 2012

Machine: ResMed S9 Autoset
Mask Type: Full face mask
Mask Make & Model: ResMed Quattro FX & Quattro Air
Humidifier: ResMed H5i
CPAP Pressure: 11.4
CPAP Software: ResScan SleepyHead

Other Comments: CMS50-D Plus Pulse Oximeter!

Sex: Male
Location: North Richland Hills, TX

Post: #2
RE: New Mask Size
Good luck and let us know how it works out. The Quattro FX in size medium works great for me! Sounds like you have a very good DME...hang onto them. I haven't been too impressed with the one that I've "worked" with. Welcome to the Apnea Board too! Welcome

We're all family here...you can call me B36 if you'd like!Cool
06-07-2012 07:32 PM
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mjbearit Offline

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Machine: REMstar Auto AFlex DS550
Mask Type: Nasal pillows
Mask Make & Model: RESMed Swift FX
Humidifier: Heated humidifier - 2
CPAP Pressure: 12.5-20
CPAP Software: SleepyHead EncoreBasic

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Sex: Male
Location: So Cal

Post: #3
RE: New Mask Size
(06-07-2012 07:20 PM)312capri Wrote:  My DME supplier allowed me to exchange my Quattro FX size "medium" for a size "large" today...

I had to look up the Quattro I thought for a minute that it was along the same lines as my Swift and I was thinking "I got Large, Medium and Small with mine!" LOL! Now I realize Quattro is a mask as opposed to the Swift pillows. I guess I owe your DME an apology for what I was thinking! I do like that about the nasal pillows. It is so easy and cheap to give the patient multiple sizes that it really doesn't always make sense not to! I hope your new mask works well for you!
Mike

As always, YMMV! You do not have to agree or disagree, I am not a professional so my mental meanderings are simply recollections of things from my own life.

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06-07-2012 08:04 PM
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312capri Offline

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Joined: Jun 2012

Machine: Respironics BiPAP Pro
Mask Type: Full face mask
Mask Make & Model: ResMed Quattro FX
Humidifier: Respironics System One Heated Humidifier
CPAP Pressure: 18/14
CPAP Software: SleepyHead

Other Comments: Quattro FX

Sex: Male
Location: New Mexico

Post: #4
RE: New Mask Size
Thanks B26, I'm Jim. The really great part is they put my "medium" in a bag with my name and told me if the "large" doesn't work I can trade it back! I slipped the "large" on when I returned home and believe it will work better! But as the old saying goes the proof of the pudding is in the eating.... Tomorrow morning will tell a lot!

This place is great!
06-07-2012 08:17 PM
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trish6hundred Offline

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Machine: Resmed S9 AutoSet for Her
Mask Type: Full face mask
Mask Make & Model: Fisher & Paykel Simplus
Humidifier: H5i Heated Humidifier
CPAP Pressure: 10 - 7-20 Cm H2O
CPAP Software: Not using software

Other Comments: I started CPAP in 2008. Totally blind since birth.

Sex: Female
Location: Missouri, USA

Post: #5
RE: New Mask Size
You are VERY fortunate to have such a good DME and I hope that continues, and I hope the new mask works out better for you. I have had good success with my DME, too. There was one thing I had to get straight. The first time one of the people came out to set me up with my first machine, (A Respironics ds200S,) I asked her a question about what the buttons under the door wer for and she said, oh you won't need to know that and I told her, Hey! waite a minute,! if I'm going to have this machine in my house, I want to know what they were for and she finally told me that they were for settings. Why,! we wouldn't want any one to know that now would we (Ha-Ha-Ha-Ha-Ha-Ha-Ha-Ha?) Just kiding, of course, I think it is extremely important to know how the machines work.

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06-07-2012 08:43 PM
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312capri Offline

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Joined: Jun 2012

Machine: Respironics BiPAP Pro
Mask Type: Full face mask
Mask Make & Model: ResMed Quattro FX
Humidifier: Respironics System One Heated Humidifier
CPAP Pressure: 18/14
CPAP Software: SleepyHead

Other Comments: Quattro FX

Sex: Male
Location: New Mexico

Post: #6
RE: New Mask Size
Thanks, I've prepared a letter to the DME's corporate Operations Manager, to provide recognition to the local staff! They have been the best!
06-07-2012 09:09 PM
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zonk Offline

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Machine: A10 AutoSet
Mask Type: Nasal mask
Mask Make & Model: Activa LT
Humidifier: Integrated /ClimateLineAir
CPAP Pressure: 9/13
CPAP Software: ResScan

Other Comments: CPAP since Nov 2010

Sex: Male
Location: Australia

Post: #7
RE: New Mask Size
Isn't suppose how it should work with the 30 days mask return
can someone let me know if the Quattro FX medium and large size cushion fit on the same mask frame...............Thanks
06-08-2012 12:13 AM
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b360155 Offline

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Posts: 265
Joined: Feb 2012

Machine: ResMed S9 Autoset
Mask Type: Full face mask
Mask Make & Model: ResMed Quattro FX & Quattro Air
Humidifier: ResMed H5i
CPAP Pressure: 11.4
CPAP Software: ResScan SleepyHead

Other Comments: CMS50-D Plus Pulse Oximeter!

Sex: Male
Location: North Richland Hills, TX

Post: #8
RE: New Mask Size
(06-08-2012 12:13 AM)zonk Wrote:  Isn't suppose how it should work with the 30 days mask return
can someone let me know if the Quattro FX medium and large size cushion fit on the same mask frame...............Thanks

Negative...the different size mask cushions each require a corresponding size mask frame. They are not interchangeable. You can interchange the difference size headgear and the quick connect elbow.

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06-08-2012 05:42 AM
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TorontoCPAPguy Offline

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Machine: S9 Autoset II
Mask Type: Full face mask
Mask Make & Model: Mirage Quattro FFM
Humidifier: H5i; Control III Germicide
CPAP Pressure: 12-20
CPAP Software: ResScan SleepyHead

Other Comments: CMS50EW Oximeter; Everflo Q O2 Concentrator; O2 Analyzer; Climate Control Hose (winter)

Sex: Male
Location: Toronto; Southern USA; etc.

Post: #9
RE: New Mask Size
Mask fit is a science and an art. Personally, from other areas of experise, it is my opinion that you want a few things in a mask. You want it to be sitting on the fleshy parts of the cheek and not on your eyeballs. You want a forehead brace to remove pressure from the bridge of your nose and permit adjustment to 'perfection' in terms of a seal. You want the largest mask that your face will permit as the wider the space between cushion perimeters, the more stable the mask is going to be on your face. You want headgear that is going to provide ideal 'pressure' around the cusions and I often thing about adding a piece of velcro to my Quattro FFM to give me that little extra push right in the middle of the mask.. I have found over the years (I own five of the Quattro FFM's now) that if I am into the 'face fart' range, a simply pressure (very light) on the middle of the mask will eliminate them. Then I have to pull the mask away from my face and settle it back down a few times to get it seated 'just right'. I am generally good for the night after that so I have never bothered. I started with nasal pillows and quickly dumped them as having too much leakage (I am also a pillow 'smoosher' and one's face against the pillow tends to deform the platform that the pillows have to work with... ditto nosebags). I then tried nasal masks and found that my wife was gently squeezing my lips closed or pushing up on my chin at night. Taping was suggested, as in taping my jaw closed. Sorry folks, I have a friend who threw up in that situation and wound up dead as a result from asphyxiation. Then I went to full face masks and tried a couple that were horrific before coming across the ResMed Quattro. I have not found a mask as close to perfection as the Quattro and not only is it comfy as heck; my leak rate is the stated leak rate for the mask and rarely varies once I am asleep with a well adjusted mask. And to top it off, if my nose plugs up from allergies during the night I wind up mouth breathing and continue solid sleep through the night excepting for (forget the scientific name for it) that tends to give me 'the wind'. With the Paleo like diet, however, and avoidance of gas producing veggies (Oh I miss my brussel sprouts) it's not too bad. For the wife. For my part I am quite happy to break wind all night if mouth breathing and consuming air.

So, short answer: Mask fitting is not just a science (e.g. fitting guide) but, rather, is more of an art. One needs to know what they are looking for in a mask and what they can stand. Full face masks, IMHO, are best as they are much more stable platforms, but everyone has their own preference. Sizing the mask is essential - you want the largest possible mask that fits without messing with your eyeballs. That will give you the best possible interface to your face.

One other thing that comes to mind and that is simply this: Regardless of mask, you should have a PAP machine that has exhalation relief, otherwise you may tend to blow the seal of the mask/face when you exhale. I have an S9 and have it set for maximum EPR always. Very important, in especially with ResMed masks that use two thin films of vinyl that really require inflation by the air pressure of the PAP machine as it is a fine line and a sudden increase in pressure in the mask on exhalation will give you 'face farts', wake up whomever is sleeping with you (girlfriend, boyfriend, wife.. but not all at the same time, huh?) and disturb your night of sleep (whether you awaken to consciousness or not... it just has to prevent that all-important REM sleep, right?).

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06-08-2012 12:31 PM
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312capri Offline

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Joined: Jun 2012

Machine: Respironics BiPAP Pro
Mask Type: Full face mask
Mask Make & Model: ResMed Quattro FX
Humidifier: Respironics System One Heated Humidifier
CPAP Pressure: 18/14
CPAP Software: SleepyHead

Other Comments: Quattro FX

Sex: Male
Location: New Mexico

Post: #10
RE: New Mask Size
Thanks, great material! Well I slept with the new mask and being larger I found it also had issues... I am going to try for several nights before I make my final decision... I find the larger size is much closer to my eyes, but also extends much farther down below my lower lip... I believe it will take several nights to really see which size is best...

Thanks
06-08-2012 02:12 PM
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