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New ResMed AirSense 10 vs. S9
ResMed just introduced a new "AirSense 10" line of CPAP machines.

I thought it be good to have a separate thread with technical details of what's different between "A10" and S9 models.


  1. Cellular modem is built in.

    Some people want to remove the "Big Brother" aspect of the cell modem. You won't be able to simply detach it now. Unknown if there's a way for the user to deactivate it.

    edit - there is a user selectable "airplane" mode that turns off the modem.
     
  2. The humidifier is integral. You can't remove it any more to get a smaller package. - UPDATE - There is an optional sideplate that allows you to remove the humidifier tank and make the machine about 2 inches narrower, but still 2 inches wider than the S9 without humidifier. (6/8/10/12 inches for S9/A10 with sideplate/A10 with tank/S9 with humidifier)
  3. The bottom line model, the AirSense 10, seems to have AHI and leak data, but not as much data as the S9 Elite. I suspect it's a bit like the S9 Escape Auto without the auto part.
  4. Airsense 10 models: AirSense 10, Elite, AutoSet, Autoset for Her.

    AutoSet for her has a "female specific" algorithm.
     
  5. The bilevel models are called "AirCurve." AirCurve 10, VAuto, and ASV.
  6. SD card equipped. Unknown yet what if any changes there are to the data collected, format, and readability for the user.
  7. It has an "AutoRamp" feature that tries to sense when you're asleep before starting the ramp.
  8. Air filters are specified to last one month instead of 6. Correction - the quick start guide says 1 month. The user guide and clinician's manual says 6 months.
  9. myAir software for patient access to data.

    I suspect this is another joke program with very limited data display, probably just compliance and such, but time will tell
     
  10. edit - Software upgrade is possible. No indication whether it's via cell modem or SD card.





Please add information here as you discover it.



- Post by zonk with some links.


(08-12-2014 12:52 AM)zonk Wrote:  [Image: xAirSense10_AutoSet_for_Her.jpg.CROP.thu...WgSnVC.jpg]
ResMed new female-specific algorithm (fAPAP)
http://www.apneaboard.com/forums/Thread-...ithm-fAPAP

[Image: xAirSense10_AutoSet.jpg.CROP.thumbnail.2...ny50Y9.jpg]
http://www.resmed.com/us/en/commercial-partner/products/devices.html

User manuals downloads
http://www.resmed.com/us/en/healthcare-p...loads.html

Now all we need is the clinical manuals Coffee

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RE: New ResMed AirSense 10 vs. S9
1. New flight mode disconnects the modem. Wink
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RE: New ResMed AirSense 10 vs. S9
Female specific algorithm? Seriously?

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RE: New ResMed AirSense 10 vs. S9
(08-12-2014 04:28 PM)PaulaO2 Wrote:  Female specific algorithm? Seriously?
Read more: http://www.apneaboard.com/forums/Thread-...ithm-fAPAP
and
http://www.apneaboard.com/forums/Thread-...ty-8-18-14

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RE: New ResMed AirSense 10 vs. S9
(08-12-2014 12:58 PM)archangle Wrote:  Cellular modem is built in.

Some people want to remove the "Big Brother" aspect of the cell modem. You won't be able to simply detach it now. Unknown if there's a way for the user to deactivate it.

Yuck. Hope there's a way to de-activate. Big Brother can take a hike, in spite of the "convenience" of a DME or doctor remotely monitoring and changing your CPAP settings (with or without your knowledge or approval).
 
Quote:The humidifier is integral. You can't remove it any more to get a smaller package.

Yuck again. I don't use a humidifier and I don't want to lug around one when I travel.


Quote:Air filters are specified to last one month instead of 6.

Yuck again. More cost for the patient.

Quote:myAir software for patient access to data.

I suspect this is another joke program with very limited data display, probably just compliance and such, but time will tell

Yep, this is most likely the case. I'm wondering if the newly-discovered mention of S10 models in the XML_Config of ResScan version 4.5 (here) will allow us to use ResScan 4.5 for these new machines? As long as we can still use ResScan 4.5 with these new machines, I don't really care whether or not they have a "dumbed-down" version for "patient access".

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RE: New ResMed AirSense 10 vs. S9
I have the Clinician Manuals for the following new "S10" machines:

AirSense 10 AutoSet
AirSense 10 AutoSet for Her
AirSense 10 Elite
AirSense 10 CPAP


Still working on getting these:

AirCurve 10 VAUTO
AirCurve 10 S
AirCurve 10 ASV

I'm working on getting them on our CPAP Manuals page... give me a few hours and they will be available via email request for educational use only via the instructions on our CPAP Clinician Manuals Page (here).

Coffee

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RE: New ResMed AirSense 10 vs. S9
(08-12-2014 03:23 PM)Lazer1234 Wrote:  1. New flight mode disconnects the modem. Wink

Good. I wonder if the patient can turn it off and it stays off or if it turns itself back on when you cycle power or some such.

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RE: New ResMed AirSense 10 vs. S9
(08-12-2014 06:28 PM)SuperSleeper Wrote:  I have the Clinician Manuals for the following new "S10" machines:
Hi SS
I,m looking for 'AirSense 10 AutoSet', cannot find it, maybe later, after dinner coffee Coffee
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RE: New ResMed AirSense 10 vs. S9
(08-12-2014 04:28 PM)PaulaO2 Wrote:  Female specific algorithm? Seriously?

It might be marketing hype, but the idea sounds sound. Maybe females have some differences in apnea detection and best kind of treatment.

I wonder if there might be some further "tuning" options for various people. For instance, might you be able to improve the treatment if the machine knew age, weight, height, blood pressure, gender, etc.? How about some tunable parameters for "central prone," diabetic, pain meds, back sleeper, light sleeper, drinker, tobacco smoker, weed smoker, etc.

Maybe you'd enter in your personal profile into a program on your computer and then it would give you a number to enter manually into the machine. That number would juggle some internal parameters like rise time, apnea detection sensitivity, aggressiveness of pressure adjustment, time delays for pressure adjustment, etc.

OK, off on a tangent.... Back on track.

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RE: New ResMed AirSense 10 vs. S9
(08-12-2014 12:58 PM)archangle Wrote:  [*]The humidifier is integral. You can't remove it any more to get a smaller package.
by next week, we should know if the price going be smaller too
ResMed trying to win more market share in US , they loosing out to Phillips Respironcis (PR). PR machines are a lot cheaper and smarter too

US market = 50% of global market, that is a lot of dough in anyone language Coffee
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