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Post: #21
RE: Chin Strap Users
Happy I am that I can report that I was able to sleep without my chinstrap last night. The previous night with the chinstrap my 95 % leaks were 20. Last night they were a mere 85......... .......and I suspect my average was well over 20.

So, back to Mr. Chinstrap for me!
09-25-2014 10:39 AM
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Post: #22
RE: Chin Strap Users
Retired_guy I was surprised to read your last post where you said your 95% leaks with a chinstrap were 20!
I would have thought the more experienced people like yourself would have had your leaks well under control.
I freak out when my leaks are 7 & 8 with my chinstrap and I am running around looking for reasons, and replacing my pillows after only two and three weeks.
Are you saying I am allowed to have quite high 95% leaks and do not need to worry about them?

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09-25-2014 05:35 PM
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Post: #23
RE: Chin Strap Users
I'm almost at three years and still have significant periods of large leak due to chin strap issues. They have gotten worse lately and I fear the dreaded FFM.

The only upside is that I've been able to verify that it's not the leaking that wakes me up. Or it doesn't seem to be. The few cases where I've noticed, the leaks stop for about 20 minutes before I wake up.

I have to use a new chin strap and adjust it so it's tight. What a pain.

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09-25-2014 06:01 PM
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Gabby Offline

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Post: #24
RE: Chin Strap Users
Thanks Sleepster. So you wear your chinstrap quite tight as well? I have read where other people say they gently apply. I have to have mine quite firm which does not make for it being very comfortable.
Are you able to tell me please what most nights your average 95% would be?

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09-25-2014 06:57 PM
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Post: #25
RE: Chin Strap Users
(09-25-2014 05:35 PM)Gabby Wrote:  Retired_guy I was surprised to read your last post where you said your 95% leaks with a chinstrap were 20!
I would have thought the more experienced people like yourself would have had your leaks well under control.
I freak out when my leaks are 7 & 8 with my chinstrap and I am running around looking for reasons, and replacing my pillows after only two and three weeks.
Are you saying I am allowed to have quite high 95% leaks and do not need to worry about them?

Except for last night I do pretty much keep the leaks under control. The 95% number really doesn't tell you that much. It just suggests that 95% of the time your mask didn't fall off, the cat didn't grab it, or whatever. The more meaningful number is the average. When I had a 95% of 20, my median number was 4.8. So not bad.

The best judge is to just eyeball the graph, and ignore the little peaks that might occur two or three times a night. If overall you stay below the line, you're doing well.

But, I learned once again last night that I have to use the chinstrap. But once again I will say that I would rather my median number spiked to 15 or 20 than have my body hurt from having the thing strapped down too tight. Actually I just looked and my median last night did spike to 14.8. So still not the end of the world even without the chinstrap. The term "gently applied" is, I think, the right way to go.
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09-25-2014 10:49 PM
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Post: #26
RE: Chin Strap Users
Thanks r_g but I am confused as to whether I should be looking at the 95%or the median.
I thought we had to always look at the 95%.
Now I am about to head back to Sleepyhead and check out what all my medians were, compared to my 95%'s.
I know I am very lucky with my leaks compared to some people but they are a niggling little thing that we do like to be in control of, aren't they?
Even though I don't like my chinstrap I will continue to wear it as I know it makes all the difference to my leakage.

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09-25-2014 11:24 PM
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Post: #27
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It's an artform, not a science. Look at everything, but mostly just note whether or not for the vast majority of your sleeping period if your leaks are below the red line. 95% is a good thing to watch, but can, if that's all you're looking at, be misleading. "med" represents more of an overall average, but I still want to see if there are periods during the 8 hour cycle where improvements are needed.

........and yes, the leak thing is never a settled issue. Depending on so many variables it will go up or down from one night to the next. So it becomes a "do the best you can" sort of thing, and as long as it is mostly under the red line, that's good enough.
09-25-2014 11:36 PM
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Post: #28
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Well I have just been back and had a look at some of my worst leaks, 8's, 9's, 13 and even one 22! But the first three all had zero medians so that put a smile on my face. That is just this month, but roughly how they vary every month.
I think I will have to stop taking them so seriously. I just hate that hiss.
Cheers r_g.

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09-26-2014 01:10 AM
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Post: #29
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UPDATE

Here it is 5 weeks later ands still no need for chin restraint.
Leaks are still minimal.
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09-26-2014 08:36 AM
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Post: #30
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(09-26-2014 08:36 AM)Bompa Wrote:  Here it is 5 weeks later ands still no need for chin restraint.
Leaks are still minimal.

Nice. SHa_clap2

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09-26-2014 01:53 PM
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