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[News] RECALL THREAD-- IMPORTANT PHILIPS DREAMSTATION & SYSTEM ONE USERS
RE: RECALL THREAD-- IMPORTANT PHILIPS DREAMSTATION & SYSTEM ONE USERS
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What's that smell? Is it negligence? Huh
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I think it was Criminal Intentional Negligence

As far as the foam, they could have manufactured it themselves, or have had one of their many subsideraries do it for them.

Either way, they are saving a lot of money and keeping all the details in-house.
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RE: RECALL THREAD-- IMPORTANT PHILIPS DREAMSTATION & SYSTEM ONE USERS
To The Apnea Board Wiki

About a month ago one of the editors posted a document that showed highlights and URLs that had been posted. The editor said that it was a work in progress. I thought it was a very useful document. Is that document still being worked on, and what is the link to get to it? 
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RE: RECALL THREAD-- IMPORTANT PHILIPS DREAMSTATION & SYSTEM ONE USERS
Yes it is still being worked on.
The link is in the 1st post of this thread
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RE: RECALL THREAD-- IMPORTANT PHILIPS DREAMSTATION & SYSTEM ONE USERS
Thank you Gideon
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RE: RECALL THREAD-- IMPORTANT PHILIPS DREAMSTATION & SYSTEM ONE USERS
Office Of The Attorney General
          Connecticut 

Attorney General Tong’s letter requests that Philips Respironics explain whether all defective devices will be replaced at no charge when those devices will be replaced and whether the company has notified medical equipment suppliers about the need to stop distributing the defective devices. The letter requests a response within 10 days.

Attorney General Tong Seeks Information Regarding Philips Respironics CPAP Machine Recall (ct.gov)
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RE: RECALL THREAD-- IMPORTANT PHILIPS DREAMSTATION & SYSTEM ONE USERS
Well, heck.  Took my 3 year old Dreamstation Pro (CAX400, Canadian sourced) apart to ponder on removing the foam.  As soon as I removed the blower motor, there it was.. little black bits all over the place.  So, I've been foamed.
I took a photo.

I have two choices now.. either stop CPAP ( last sleep study hit 85 w/o cpap) and preserve "evidence",   or  DIY the foam removal and destroy the evidence.
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I would remove the foam and save it in a ziploc bag. Be sure to blow the foam out of the turbine. There is no shortage of evidence or the recall would not have been publicized. Take pictures, seal up all the openings you cut, and continue your therapy until they replace the machine.
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EVIDENCE OF DECOMPOSING FOAM IN SYSTEM
(08-14-2021, 03:13 PM)DaveCar Wrote: there it was.. little black bits all over the place.  

As a dearly departed friend used to always say, be sure to do your "Due Diligence".  It sounds as though you're indeed doing that.  Consider also writing up an official letter to send to your DME.  It can be attached to an e-mail, but just make it a separate attachment.  Describe in detail the steps that you took.  (Now you can say that they've been informed; so, in a way, they're a passive witness to your events.)

Early on, there was one U.S. and one Canadian law firm that took the leads on a class action.  I'm not sure where they're all at now.  I believe the Canadian one is Thompson, but there may be others now.  Let them know where you're at and consider asking them for their advice too.

I'm not sure if you previously mentioned it, but were you a SoClean user?  Was your device ever brought in for a "periodic cleaning" at a DME, who may have used SoClean?  I assume your system was purchased new with zero therapy hours registered on it.  Were there any circumstances that may have exacerbated the breakdown of foam, such as operating in a higher heat or humidity environment?  

If all of these are "not applicable", and you had a significant amount of foam breakdown within 3 years under "typical use", then there must be a very large user base of others just like you whose evidence of possible foam ingestion via foam decomposition would never be known once Philips eventually performs their "fix"/replacement.  I congratulate you for "knowing".

Sleep labs do extensive cleaning cycles every time they switch users.  The condition of the foam in those systems must be almost non-existent in Philips systems.  Some of them continue to use older Philips systems.  I'd suppose they've rapidly switched over to non-Philips devices within the last few weeks.

Please keep us updated on how things generally evolve in your various efforts.
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I'm not sure if you previously mentioned it, but were you a SoClean user? "

No SoClean or any other ozone exposure.
The unit has not been into the provider for a cleaning.
We do open windows all the time, so the house humidity is pretty much whatever nature gives us.. it likely hits 80% or higher occasionally in the summer.  So apparently it did suffer from normal humidity.

Found my initial service date of the new machine. Apr 2019 (although the machine manuf date is Sep 2018).
So it's not 3 years as I had thought.. it's 2.3 years.  It did make an odd whirring sound for a few days about a year ago.. now I wonder if that was some foam being eaten by the blower (and me).  The sound stopped and my numbers looked good, so I just shrugged my shoulders on that one.

I posted a photo of the airbox in the main forum.

My provider is giving me a loaner Resmed on Monday until we get some solution. Im going to attempt going without cpap for the next two nights.

I wish I could recommend that people open up and check their own machines, but its not without breakage risk and then you have no machine at all.  Surely someone might just pull on the circuit board connector wires instead of the connector itself and end up breaking a wire. Not good.  
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RE: RECALL THREAD-- IMPORTANT PHILIPS DREAMSTATION & SYSTEM ONE USERS
(08-14-2021, 06:23 PM)DaveCar Wrote: No SoClean or any other ozone exposure.  .. it's 2.3 years.  
It's good to hear that you have an action plan in place.  

It's extremely unsettling to hear that a device in "typical conditions" had evidence of foam breakdown in only a couple years.  That suggests to me that the initial disclosure by Philips is significantly far from reality.  Therefore country medical agencies, sleep specialists and various associations need to be alerted to a more realistic picture of the recalled devices within the user community.  Your case, and countless others, needs to be elevated to federal levels for a more realistic response.  

Your situation report, at the very least, should be a wake-up call to those who prefer "not to know" and who have endless trust in the manufacturer's reports.  Some have expressed their full trust in their country's medical device approval procedures, but they need to understand that these agencies have generally been provided with sample data from the manufacturer.  They've not done their own extensive independent long-term studies.  Previously, no one would ever think about taking apart their machine, before news of this recall.
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