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Stupid Government made me spill my gasoline!
Okay, I mowed my lawn today. But I first had to fill the mower tank with gas. My old gas can was leaking, so I had gotten a new 5 gallon plastic can from Menards. Okay, fine.

So, my new gas can has one of those new EPA-mandated anti-spill spouts (or whatever agency controls gas can regulation to protect us from ourselves). This new spout caused me to spill about 1/2 gallon of gas all over my shed, as it got caught inside my mower tank, with the spout spewing out gas in all sort of directions once the tank was full. I couldn't remove the stupid thing, as it was caught.

For goodness sake, these government gas can spouts are more than USELESS. They have no vents, so the gasoline gurgles in spurts in 4 different directions out of the spouts. But it's supposed to be a "safer" spout and can. I say, BS... it's big government control ruining every little thing in our lives, yet again.

I'm going to yard sales and I'm going to try to find one of the old-fashioned gas cans for sale that don't have one of these "GOVERNMENT SPOUTS" on them.

Geesh, I'm angry at the ineptitude of our regulation-society. It's insane!

Sorry for "spouting off"... had to get that off my chest.

BigwinkOh-jeez

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RE: Stupid Government made me spill my gasoline!
Ah, did a search and found this:


How Government Wrecked the Gas Can


by Jeffrey Tucker, The Laissez Faire Club

The gas gauge broke. There was no smartphone app to tell me how much was left, so I ran out. I had to call the local gas station to give me enough to get on my way. The gruff but lovable attendant arrived in his truck and started to pour gas in my car’s tank. And pour. And pour.

“Hmmm, I just hate how slow these gas cans are these days,” he grumbled. “There’s no vent on them.”

That sound of frustration in this guy’s voice was strangely familiar, the grumble that comes when something that used to work but doesn’t work anymore, for some odd reason we can’t identify.

I’m pretty alert to such problems these days. Soap doesn’t work. Toilets don’t flush. Clothes washers don’t clean. Light bulbs don’t illuminate. Refrigerators break too soon. Paint discolors. Lawnmowers have to be hacked. It’s all caused by idiotic government regulations that are wrecking our lives one consumer product at a time, all in ways we hardly notice.

It’s like the barbarian invasions that wrecked Rome, taking away the gains we’ve made in bettering our lives. It’s the bureaucrats’ way of reminding market producers and consumers who is in charge.

Surely, the gas can is protected. It’s just a can, for goodness sake. Yet he was right. This one doesn’t have a vent. Who would make a can without a vent unless it was done under duress? After all, everyone knows to vent anything that pours. Otherwise, it doesn’t pour right and is likely to spill.

It took one quick search. The whole trend began in (wait for it) California. Regulations began in 2000, with the idea of preventing spillage. The notion spread and was picked up by the EPA, which is always looking for new and innovative ways to spread as much human misery as possible.

An ominous regulatory announcement from the EPA came in 2007: “Starting with containers manufactured in 2009… it is expected that the new cans will be built with a simple and inexpensive permeation barrier and new spouts that close automatically.”

The government never said “no vents.” It abolished them de facto with new standards that every state had to adopt by 2009. So for the last three years, you have not been able to buy gas cans that work properly. They are not permitted to have a separate vent. The top has to close automatically. There are other silly things now, too, but the biggest problem is that they do not do well what cans are supposed to do.

And don’t tell me about spillage. It is far more likely to spill when the gas is gurgling out in various uneven ways, when one spout has to both pour and suck in air. That’s when the lawn mower tank becomes suddenly full without warning, when you are shifting the can this way and that just to get the stuff out.

There’s also the problem of the exploding can. On hot days, the plastic models to which this regulation applies can blow up like balloons. When you release the top, gas flies everywhere, including possibly on a hot engine. Then the trouble really begins.

Never heard of this rule? You will know about it if you go to the local store. Most people buy one or two of these items in the course of a lifetime, so you might otherwise have not encountered this outrage.

Yet let enough time go by. A whole generation will come to expect these things to work badly. Then some wise young entrepreneur will have the bright idea, “Hey, let’s put a hole on the other side so this can work properly.” But he will never be able to bring it into production. The government won’t allow it because it is protecting us!

It’s striking to me that the websites and institutions that complain about government involvement in our lives never mentioned this, at least not so far as I can tell. The only sites that seem to have discussed this are the boating forums and the lawn forums. These are the people who use these cans more than most. The level of anger and vitriol is amazing to read, and every bit of it is justified.

There is no possible rationale for these kinds of regulations. It can’t be about emissions really, since the new cans are more likely to result in spills. It’s as if some bureaucrat were sitting around thinking of ways to make life worse for everyone, and hit upon this new, cockamamie rule.

These days, government is always open to a misery-making suggestion. The notion that public policy would somehow make life better is a relic of days gone by. It’s as if government has decided to specialize in what it is best at and adopt a new principle: “Let’s leave social progress to the private sector; we in the government will concentrate on causing suffering and regress.”

You are already thinking of hacks. Why not just stab the thing with a knife and be done with it? If you have to transport the can in the car, that’s a problem. You need a way to plug the vent with something.

Some boating forums have suggested drilling a hole and putting a tire stem in there and using the screw top as the way to close the hole. Great idea. Just what I wanted to do with my Saturday afternoon, hacking the gas can to make it work exactly as well as it did three years ago, before government wrecked it.

You can also buy an old-time metal can. It turns out that special regulations pertain here, too, and it’s all about the spout, which is not easy to fill. They are also unusually expensive. I’m not sure that either of these options is ideal.

It fascinates me to see how these regulations give rise to market-based workarounds. I’ve elsewhere called this the speak-easy economy. The government bans something. No one likes the ban. People are determined to get on with their lives, regardless. They step outside the narrow bounds of the law.

It wouldn’t surprise me to find, for example, a sudden proliferation of heavy-duty “water cans” in 1- and 5-gallon sizes, complete with nice spouts and vents, looking almost exactly like the gas cans you could get anywhere just a few years ago. How very interesting to discover this.

Of course, this law-abiding writer would never advocate buying one of these and using it for some purpose other than what is written on the package. Doing something like that would show profound disrespect for our betters in the bureaucracies. And if I did suggest something like that, there’s no telling the trouble that it would bring down on my head.

Ask yourself this: If they can wreck such a normal and traditional item like this, and do it largely under the radar screen, what else have they mandatorily malfunctioned? How many other things in our daily lives have been distorted, deformed and destroyed by government regulations?

If some product annoys you in surprising ways, there’s a good chance that it is not the invisible hand at work, but rather the regulatory grip that is squeezing the life out of civilization itself.

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RE: Stupid Government made me spill my gasoline!
That regulation was initiated by some overpaid politician who has never poured gas from a can or a hose even. He pays someone to do.
Most major decisions are made by people behind a desk who have never lifted a finger in manual labour and don't have a clue as to what they're talking about. I've worked from too many electrical engineer blueprints.
Cheer up my friend!
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RE: Stupid Government made me spill my gasoline!
Surprise! Who has all the money to buy these new regulations with?
Large Corporations!
Face front folks.
The government is just a sock puppet for Big Oil, Big Banks and Big Pharma.

Most likely some evil CEO dreamed up the gas can scheme so more gasoline could be sold because the poor stoopid public
will be spilling it all!

When in doubt, follow the big money.


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RE: Stupid Government made me spill my gasoline!
Yeah, no vent is stupid. It wasn't just for spillage but for fumes as well. That vent, well, it vented. What we do is take a knife and poke a hole. Then we cover that hole with duct tape and keep the can where rain won't get into it if the duct tape unsticks.

My Cub Cadet won't mow with the transmission in reverse. It shuts down completely. To mow in reverse, you either have to disengage the PTO or you have to turn the key to "reverse" then push a button near the key. Then you can mow in reverse. All because we're too stupid to look behind us and not run over our kid. And we're too stupid to teach our kids to not get behind the lawn mower if it is running.

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RE: Stupid Government made me spill my gasoline!
Speaking of idiot gas cans: the one gallon can I use with my chain saw has a spout that must be depressed in order to get anything out of it. It's almost impossible to hold the saw in place while trying to put the fill spout into the tank and pushing down on the lip of the tank. It takes two people to fill the small tank on the saw without getting gas all over the place.


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RE: Stupid Government made me spill my gasoline!
Google search "EZ-Pour Spout" from Combined Manufacturing. Of course these newly manufactured replacement spouts are "intended for cans manufactured before 2011" Bigwink

Just gotta love that good ol' entrepreneurial spirit!

EDIT: Correction - "manufactured before January 2009"
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Cool! We'll be ordering one to see how it works!

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RE: Stupid Government made me spill my gasoline!
Looks like a good alternative product. Thanks for the heads-up!

Too bad the government makes us spend extra money just to get a stupid gas can working properly. That's "progress", I guess. RolleyesOh-jeez

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RE: Stupid Government made me spill my gasoline!
Most of the regulation today is geared toward citizens having to spend money to comply.

How do you get citizens to buy new gas tanks, propane tanks, light bulbs, and so forth?

Lobby congress to force your new gadget down their throats.

Then they have a long list of permits, fees, taxes, and so forth to milk you for every penny when you go to build anything on "your own" land or start a business.

Also, new laws to make everything you do illegal and subject to a fine is another way they drain our bank accounts...and while no one is paying attention those fines raise every year till one day you get a ticket for $450 cause you tail light is out.

THEN taxes. Not sure how they do it in your neck of the woods, but here they cut only schools, police, and fire every budget and rob those accounts, so they can come back to the public and shove little kids out in front of us with their hands open begging for much needed school money. It's no different than the bully you had in school that knocked kids down for their lunch money.

Our government is blatantly corrupt and no longer serves the people.
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