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Post: #41
RE: Possible treatment for central sleep apnea
I'm interested in any discussion about CSA. Most people have OSA so when there's talk about CSA, I'm all ears. So much is not known about CSA. I have it along with a few OSA's on the sleep study. I'm very interested in learning if 'fat' amounts in diet can be important information for us with CSA. Like the OP, I've never done drugs, haven't had a stroke or heart attack that I'm aware of and the RX's I use now are not indicators for CSA. I've stopped taking Rx for RLS about one month ago and incredibly, I'm symptom free right now. I'm taking an iron supplement, getting B12 shots for last two months or so. Perhaps its helping, perhaps not.
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Post: #42
RE: Possible treatment for central sleep apnea
There is a study that looked at the relationship between food intake and sleep patterns in healthy individuals: "Relationship between Food Intake and Sleep Pattern in Healthy Individuals" by Cibele Aparecida Crispim, Ph.D., et. al. Google it to find the link

They suggest a negative correlation between early evening ingestion of fats and sleep quality. I wouldn't read too deeply into this for the following reasons. First, they were testing healthy people, not people with sleep apnea. Second, it doesn't specify what type of fats they used.

One point I would take from this study is that it clearly demonstrates that what you eat and when can affect your sleep quality.

But in the end what counts is how YOU feel and what works for YOU. If coconut oil is helping your sleep quality then I would certainly continue.
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Post: #43
RE: Possible treatment for central sleep apnea
(01-14-2013 07:37 PM)PaulaO2 Wrote:  I hope you continue your study and you keep us up to date on how it is going.

Hi cruzer43,

Thanks.

I also hope you continue your study and you keep us up to date on how it is going.

Take care,
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Post: #44
RE: Possible treatment for central sleep apnea
Noteworthy:

I am now tracking O2 desaturations vs CA events as flagged by the ResMed S9.
So far I have had no desaturations at all with any CA events.
All the drops in O2 I am getting thus far are associated with *hypopnea* events!

So I am still watching for a CA event that lasts more than 10 seconds with a 10% or better drop in O2.

I suppose this is good news for me thus far. (no dain-bramage has set in yet)

The only other thing I am getting is CA events sometimes occurring in clusters (between 5:00am and 6:00am)
Then again they are over with so fast that there is no change in O2 saturation.
Anyone else notice this effect?

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Post: #45
RE: Possible treatment for central sleep apnea
(02-16-2013 08:55 PM)AuntElizabeth Wrote:  I'm interested in any discussion about CSA. Most people have OSA so when there's talk about CSA, I'm all ears.

There are some of us who have "mixed" apnea Shy a hybrid of sorts between obstructive and central apneas. This can even happen while I'm awake although not often. Breathing is of course usually an automatic process but I find I have to force a breath at times. Of course I don't have this luxury while I'm asleep. Do I have awake apnea as well? Luckily this doesn't happen often but I have experienced it. I never discussed this with the doctor.

Quote:So much is not known about CSA. I have it along with a few OSA's on the sleep study.

Glad it was noted. The fools who did my last sleep study declared the "new" CPAP pressure was the same as it was before (8) and I kept on having problems. It seems like the guy doing the sleep study was also asleep. After borrowing an S8 AutoSet I learned that my numbers were all over the map depending on the date with no real consistency. What's my point? Huh That CSA doesn't seem to be recognized or acknowledged at times.

Quote:I'm very interested in learning if 'fat' amounts in diet can be important information for us with CSA

I believe I mentioned this recently, that losing weight and/or fat consumption is highly over rated and if it has any effect at all with OSA, it seems like CSA isn't affected.
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RE: Possible treatment for central sleep apnea
(02-24-2013 10:15 AM)Shastzi Wrote:  The only other thing I am getting is CA events sometimes occurring in clusters (between 5:00am and 6:00am)
Then again they are over with so fast that there is no change in O2 saturation.
Anyone else notice this effect?

=o.O=

I am having the same clusters at around the same time. They don't happen every day; about once or twice a week seems to be the pattern. I bought an oximeter but haven't managed to use it on nights that matched with these patterns.

I asked my pulmonologist/ sleep doc about it this morning. He said he had no idea to explain why it seems to occur consistently in the morning with no other apparent ill effects. He was very interested in seeing the ResScan reports that showed the events.
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RE: Possible treatment for central sleep apnea
I get clusters like that sometimes, too. It may coincide with the sun coming up!

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Post: #48
RE: Possible treatment for central sleep apnea
(02-25-2013 08:52 PM)aehjr Wrote:  
(02-24-2013 10:15 AM)Shastzi Wrote:  The only other thing I am getting is CA events sometimes occurring in clusters (between 5:00am and 6:00am)
Then again they are over with so fast that there is no change in O2 saturation.
Anyone else notice this effect?

I am having the same clusters at around the same time. They don't happen every day; about once or twice a week seems to be the pattern. I bought an oximeter but haven't managed to use it on nights that matched with these patterns.

I asked my pulmonologist/ sleep doc about it this morning. He said he had no idea to explain why it seems to occur consistently in the morning with no other apparent ill effects. He was very interested in seeing the ResScan reports that showed the events.

Hi all,

Reducing or turning off the EPR setting (or the Pressure Support setting if using a bi-level machine) can sometimes reduce the incidence of CA events.

Quite a few folks who do not use ASV type machines have reported that turning off EPR significantly reduced the number of CA events they were having, sometimes to less than half. (ASV type machines are different and need a large Pressure Support setting in order to be effective in treating central apneas.)

On my S9 VPAP Auto machine, eventually I adjusted the PS down to 0.2 cmH2O. The only reason I didn't go completely to zero is because I sometimes found it helpful (when analyzing the data waveforms) to be able to tell (by the slight difference in the pressure waveform) when the machine considered me to have been inhaling versus exhaling.

Take care,
--- Vaughn

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RE: Possible treatment for central sleep apnea
I am currently running with EPR off, since the S9 seems to breathe ok without it, for me anyhow.

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RE: Possible treatment for central sleep apnea
(02-24-2013 10:15 AM)Shastzi Wrote:  The only other thing I am getting is CA events sometimes occurring in clusters (between 5:00am and 6:00am)
Then again they are over with so fast that there is no change in O2 saturation.


Do you have any Zeo data corresponding with these events?
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