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Ghost1958 Offline

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Machine: PRS1 Series Sixty Auto Aflex
Mask Type: Nasal mask
Mask Make & Model: F&P Eson
Humidifier: PRS1 with Heated Hose
CPAP Pressure: 10.5 min 16 max
CPAP Software: SleepyHead EncoreBasic

Other Comments: Moderate to Severe SA Obstructive. Rapid O2 desat off the machine.

Sex: Male
Location: KY

Post: #11
RE: Rainout
(11-05-2015 12:09 AM)usertc Wrote:  
(11-04-2015 11:37 PM)Ghost1958 Wrote:  my wife had the same problem on her 550 auto. I checked her machine.Dry hose wet mask.
Her own breath was condensing in her mask.
no heated hose so juSt warmed up the bed room a bit.
see if hose is for sure wet. If not your condensing your mask with your oWn breathe.

ill get wife a heatd hose this winter.
Dont like bedroom that warm.

the hose is definitely wet. I have to hang it to drain and dry. I can see the water droplets throughout the hose.

Yep your raining then. Which is odd with a heated hose. Unless the hose isnt working maybe?
I run a pr 560 auto heated hose. I can let the fire die down in winter so the bed room is like 50 degress. With the hos set on one, lowest etting and humidity maxed i have totally dry hose and mask..

Maybe the hose isnt heatin like it should?
11-05-2015 02:31 AM
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usertc Offline

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Machine: ResMed AirSense 10
Mask Type: Nasal mask
Mask Make & Model: F&P eson
Humidifier: integrated
CPAP Pressure: 4 to 14
CPAP Software: Not using software

Other Comments: AHI= 50 with asthma, GERD, and chronic migraines

Sex: Female
Location: California

Post: #12
RE: Rainout
So I looked at my manuals and I have the ClimateLineAir which is heated. Last night I put the climate control on manual instead of auto with the temp at 75F. Our room is 68F at night. I also slipped the tubing into the sash from a robe, then put it on the floor so any condensation would run back into the machine. I actually slept 5 hours with AHI at 0.8. But then the rainout woke me up again, and yes, you can see the water droplets throughout the tube.

My mask finally arrived today. I was prescribed the Amara View minimal contact full face mask, but they had the wrong size when I picked up my machine, so they had to order it and ship it to me. In the meantime, I had a nasal mask from a hospital stay a couple of years ago and have been using that for the last week.

Anyway, with the new mask, even the airflow feels different. With the nasal mask I had turned the minimum setting up to 7 to get rid of the not enough air feeling, but with the full face mask, it felt too strong. This mask also has an anti-aspiration valve that the nasal mask didn't have, so I'm thinking this may solve the rainout problem. So since this mask is so different, I'm going to reset everything to what it was when I brought it home and see how it goes.
11-06-2015 01:10 AM
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bluemom51 Offline

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Machine: Resmed S9 Autoset
Mask Type: Nasal pillows
Mask Make & Model: Breeze
Humidifier: Rested S9 Autosett
CPAP Pressure: 10-18
CPAP Software: SleepyHead

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Sex: Female
Location: Dallas Metroplex

Post: #13
RE: Rainout
(11-04-2015 08:30 PM)usertc Wrote:  I started using the AirSense 10 Autoset for her a week ago and I've been suffering from rainout every night. I keep playing with the settings, but I feel like I'm going backwards instead of improving. Last night I turned the humidifier down to 1 with temp at 80F and only got a little over an hour of sleep before I woke up with water running on my nose.

Does anyone use this with the humidifier turned off? Does it still work ok? If I can just get this part dealt with, I think I might be able to get used to it. What sleep I do get feels pretty good with AHI under 2. I'm getting frustrated though.
I'm on my 4th Airsense 10 for Her - Terrible rainout (flooding and spraying) even with the heated hose and hose cover. Talked to a tech at ResMed and he said they had significantly increased the humidity on the Airsense machines. He said unless I had a ResMed mask (how convenient) I would have to insulate every square inch of my mask. I did that and now with heated hose and everything (really) covered and set to auto, it is still a fair amount of rainout instead of the great flood, but only if the humidity is not high - if humidity is high that day - good luck.

I am furious because I think it is a defect and some people like me also have the howling coyote humidifier bin that howls because of defective seals (freely admitted by the ResMed tech). I think they messed these machines up big time when compared to the S9 autoset that didn't have any of these problems. I have decided to just play meteorologist each day and use the manual settings - the rainout is just too bad and I use a non-ResMed mask. The whole situation is just awful in my opinion. ResMed could care less and said so quite openly. The supplier doesn't care either because they could not replicate the problem. Of course not, they didn't try to sleep with the thing with a non-ResMed mask........
11-07-2015 09:27 PM
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usertc Offline

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Machine: ResMed AirSense 10
Mask Type: Nasal mask
Mask Make & Model: F&P eson
Humidifier: integrated
CPAP Pressure: 4 to 14
CPAP Software: Not using software

Other Comments: AHI= 50 with asthma, GERD, and chronic migraines

Sex: Female
Location: California

Post: #14
RE: Rainout
(11-07-2015 09:27 PM)bluemom51 Wrote:  
(11-04-2015 08:30 PM)usertc Wrote:  I started using the AirSense 10 Autoset for her a week ago and I've been suffering from rainout every night. I keep playing with the settings, but I feel like I'm going backwards instead of improving. Last night I turned the humidifier down to 1 with temp at 80F and only got a little over an hour of sleep before I woke up with water running on my nose.

Does anyone use this with the humidifier turned off? Does it still work ok? If I can just get this part dealt with, I think I might be able to get used to it. What sleep I do get feels pretty good with AHI under 2. I'm getting frustrated though.
I'm on my 4th Airsense 10 for Her - Terrible rainout (flooding and spraying) even with the heated hose and hose cover. Talked to a tech at ResMed and he said they had significantly increased the humidity on the Airsense machines. He said unless I had a ResMed mask (how convenient) I would have to insulate every square inch of my mask. I did that and now with heated hose and everything (really) covered and set to auto, it is still a fair amount of rainout instead of the great flood, but only if the humidity is not high - if humidity is high that day - good luck.

I am furious because I think it is a defect and some people like me also have the howling coyote humidifier bin that howls because of defective seals (freely admitted by the ResMed tech). I think they messed these machines up big time when compared to the S9 autoset that didn't have any of these problems. I have decided to just play meteorologist each day and use the manual settings - the rainout is just too bad and I use a non-ResMed mask. The whole situation is just awful in my opinion. ResMed could care less and said so quite openly. The supplier doesn't care either because they could not replicate the problem. Of course not, they didn't try to sleep with the thing with a non-ResMed mask........

Yeah, I tried it with the Respironics Amara mask and not a drop of water got past the anti-aspiration valve. Unfortunately, it didn't fit my face well and I couldn't get a good mask seal. My AHI went from 0.8 to 4 so I decided to go back to the nasal mask, but tonight I dumped the water out and turned off the humidifier. We'll see how it goes. I'm going to call my dr Monday to see what he suggests. My mouth tends to open with the nasal mask so I think I need a full face mask, but the Amara didn't fit. My insurance allows one mask change, so hopefully I can get one that works for me.
11-07-2015 11:50 PM
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Machine: Airsense 10 AutoSet
Mask Type: Nasal pillows
Mask Make & Model: ResMed AirFit P10, Dreamwear
Humidifier: Integrated
CPAP Pressure: 4.6-7.6
CPAP Software: ResScan SleepyHead

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Sex: Male
Location: Washington

Post: #15
RE: Rainout
Bluemom-

I'm glad you talked to Resmed. It is a defect, no doubt. This explains why you and I are on our 4th machines and the problem persists. For people that need the humidity we have to find other ways to control the tube environment (hose covers, tube placement and run, room temp and humidity, etc....). Changing out A10s won't help as we now see. I can't remember what you said about your room temperature. Today's humidity in Dallas is 40%. Perhaps having some heat on in the room at night will help decrease room humidity. This helped me greatly.

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11-08-2015 12:46 PM
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