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ResMed 12/24 volt DC Converter for S9 Series Machines [copied from old forum]
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ResMed 12/24 volt DC Converter for S9 Series Machines [copied from old forum]
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ResMed 12/24 volt DC Converter for S9 Series Machines


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The ResMed DC Power Converter for S9 machines enables S9 Series CPAP Machines to be powered using a 12V or 24V power source such as those found in a car, boat, RV, or other battery. This converter also allows for use of the H5i humidifier and ClimateLine heated tubing with the S9 CPAP machines while on 12V or 24V DC power.

Introduction:

On my other CPAP machines, I have had a way to connect to 12-volt power in the case of a power outage. I'm just that kind of a guy - I want a backup for my backups... it's all about redundancy. I guess that philosophy came from when my dad was teaching my to fly an airplane (he was an instrument instructor). Systems in airplanes are designed to have several "layers" of redundancy - so that if one part of the system fails, you have at minimum one or two more parts that can perform the same function. After all, when you're flying at 120 knots 5,000 feet in the air, having a critical airplane part fail can ruin your whole day.

Likewise, I consider my CPAP machine to be a critical piece of equipment to my overall health. It's worth it to have redundancies built in to my therapy.

For my old "tank" CPAP (Respironics pre-2007 version of the REMstar Pro with C-Flex)... 12 volt backup was pretty simple - all I had to do was purchase a $25 12-volt DC power cord, attach it to the machine and hook it up to my cigarette-lighter connector with battery clips on the other end (already had purchased that for less than $20). The "old tank" REMstar Pro had 12-volt capability already built-in to the system... worked like a charm, and I only spent $45 for the necessary parts - having already purchased my 12-volt deep cycle "Marine" battery at WalMart for around $65.

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As for my brand new, fancy super-duper ResMed S9 AutoSet machine - there is no built in 12-volt capability. There are basically two alternatives for operating the S9 on 12-volt battery power - first, is to purchase a quality AC-to-DC Power Inverter, with one end clipped to the battery, the other end to my CPAP AC power supply. While that type of a system should work fine, it's not a very efficient way to do it. You generally lose about 20-30 percent of your battery power as you convert from AC to DC current. I did't like that. Also, you're introducing yet another piece of equipment into the equation that has the potential to go bad (the Inverter). So, I patiently waited for ResMed to put their 12-volt Converter on the market. I waited... and waited... and waited... and finally, it came.

I paid about $95 (from supplier #1 on our Suppliers List, where I do most all of my Sleep Apnea-related purchases) then bought a few CPAP filters to get the total over $100 (to qualify for free shipping). Other online suppliers were asking anywhere between $85-140 for this unit, but with varying shipping costs that ultimately raised the overall price, my deal worked out pretty good. Initially, when ResMed first announced these Converters, their suggested retail price was close to $150 or so. I was shocked at this high MSRP. Fortunately, my favorite online supplier did not offer them at the MSRP, but a more reasonable (but nonetheless expensive) price of $95.

Unpacking was simple. The directions were somewhat lacking, however. Small print and very basic, but enough to give basic information.

One caution:
when you attach this DC Converter to your machine, make sure the small switch on the Converter is in the OFF position. That's a safety feature. It takes time for this Converter to power up - about 3-5 seconds before the green "okay" light comes on, signaling that there is now enough power to operate your S9 Machine. You don't want your expensive S9 unit to receive the inadequate lower voltages that will be coming out of the Converter during this 3-5 second power-up period. You need to give the Converter the required 3-5 seconds to "stabilize" first. Once the green light is ON, you can toggle the switch on the Converter, then turn on your CPAP machine.

Well, as I have said in previous posts
, I have a very simple 12-volt solar power system that I installed at my house. Bought 3 of the 45-watt solar power kits from Harbor Freight, with a sale price and a 20% off coupon, only paid $129 or so for each kit (they retail for $250 normally). My system won't run the fridge or microwave or other high-amperage appliances, but it's super for basic home lighting, operating my 12-volt Ham Radio station and running my CPAP machine with ease. I now have two higher-end 6-volt Trojan T-105 deep cycle batteries attached to my system in series for storing 12-volt power. I also have about 50 feet of 12-volt wiring running from my back door (where the batteries are located) to my bedroom (where my CPAP is located).

Okay, so I'm not an electrician, although my dad was, and I had a very basic understanding of electrical theory. I should have known what would happen next. The first night when I plugged my precious S9 AutoSet into my brand-new 12-volt DC Converter, it seemed to work okay at first. Then it felt like I wasn't getting the "normal" amount of airflow. Then I would take a deep breath... and arrrrgh!!! The CPAP re-booted itself. Huh? Okay, it started up again and operated okay, but again, with that feeling of "not quite enough airflow". Hmm.... Operated okay for another 20 minutes... then I yawned in my bed and took in another very deep breath... REBOOT again!! Oh, geeze (I figured) I got a faulty Converter unit. Great. With some experimentation, I duplicated this re-booting thing 3 more times - each time I took a deep breath, the machine would re-start itself. So I plugged it back into standard 110-volt household power and went to sleep with the machine operating normally, this time with the normal amount of airflow and no re-boots.

In the morning, I remembered something that my dad had taught me - when you run Direct Current (DC) power over long distances of wire, you lose a heck of a lot of voltage due to heat dissipation in the wire itself, so by the time the voltage gets to the end of my 50-foot wire, I was losing nearly an entire amp of voltage. This power loss does not happen as severely with Alternating Current (AC), which is why our electrical grid power supply to homes is AC, not DC.

So, the following night, I decided to use one of my fully-charged 12 volt batteries - but this time bring the battery into the bedroom with me, and attach them directly to the ResMed S9 12-volt Converter... and.... YES! It worked flawlessly! My problem was that my long 50-foot run of wire was causing way too low of voltage at the other end. The shorter (3-foot) span of wire was the solution. I was relieved that I didn't have to return my Converter for a replacement unit. It was my fault, not the Converter's.

After the first night on 12-volt power, I was amazed at how little power my S9 (without the heated humidifier) actually used. My battery was reading 12.8 volts (open terminal voltage) at the beginning of the night, and when I woke up, it was still reading 12.8 volts. I figured that my S9 AutoSet was drawing an amazingly small 0.8 amps per hour. Wow, at that rate, if my figuring is correct, my two fully-charged Trojan 225-amp/hour deep cycles could run my CPAP machine (bringing the battery down to only an 80% charge without needing to be recharged) for well over 5 nights! Not bad. Maybe some of you electricians can tell me if my figuring is accurate or not.

Now, for those with heated humidifiers or the ClimateLine heated hose, I can't help you much on how long you can run your machine under battery power using this S9 converter... at least not until ResMed updates their documentation on running their CPAPs on battery power with the full specs and all... But I will say that (obviously) the higher you turn up the heat and humidity, the more 12-volt battery power you're going to use. And heating takes a LOT of battery power, several multiples of what your CPAP draws in power, so you may only get one or at most two nights of 12-volt power if you use the humidifier on the higher settings. Maybe our resident electricians can chime in with more detailed specs on this.

Overall, I am pleased with the ResMed 12/24 volt DC Converter for S9 units. The only reason I rated it 4 stars instead of 5 is because I'm not too pleased with the price. But still, at least I didn't pay the MSRP of $150.


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Machine: S9 Autoset II
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Humidifier: H5i; Control III Germicide
CPAP Pressure: 12-20
CPAP Software: ResScan SleepyHead

Other Comments: CMS50EW Oximeter; Everflo Q O2 Concentrator; Quattro FFM; O2 Analyzer; Climate Control Hose (winter)

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RE: ResMed 12/24 volt DC Converter for S9 Series Machines [copied from old forum]
I'd rather find out what the connector looks like (and who supplies it); connect two deep discharge sealed batteries in series to give me 2x12 VDC = 24VDC (if that is what the S9 wants) and hang a couple of battery 'maintainer type' trickle chargers on the batteries. Run the whole shebang on 24VDC.

The batteries, when run in series, do not give you twice the available current or capacity but rather, just twice the voltage (remember your Ohm's law).

Alternatively, one can use a DC to AC inverter in the car plugged into the cigarette lighter socket or preferably directly to the battery itself. The Ford Flex has an inverter built in located in the back seat console so we are good to go for camping anyway. Doesn't help us out in the house.... but we do have a 12VDC deep discharge battery and a couple of inverters floating around somewhere from all of our travelling with the kids.

Confused yet? My preferred (personally) method would be to run the whole shebang of a couple of 12VDC batteries in series to give 24VDC and just run a cable to the APAP S9 Autoset II..... just remember to turn OFF the humidifier if the unit is running on DC as the humidifier will gobble power, as previously stated. Funny thing is that I find the humidifier just fine with the air running over the water and no heat running. I only run the heater in the humidifier if I have a cold, which is pretty rare these days, now that I know how to avoid them (Hint: wash hands or disinfect constantly and keep fingers away from eyes and nose. I even wear a cheap mask if I am going to a clinic with a lot of sick people and use my elbows to push doors open, etc.)

The key, as the previous poster says, is redundancy. I am so redundant that I have TWO S9's and TWO Everflo Q oxygen concentrators, etc. I DO NOT want a week or six of bad nights if my APAP setup needs service, which it most certainly will at some point.

As an added bonus, with the inverter or DC setup one can charge their cellphone, run their laptop or games, etc., etc., when the power goes off. Or the ham radio gear, since cellphones won't be working if the power is off more than about a day or two.

And as a borderline 'boy scout' (be prepared) - it would sure be nice to have a few solar panels for charging the batteries in the event of a long term power outage. I'd be the only one with power in the neighborhood and a way to communicate with the outside world in the event of disaster.

Loved the way the Japanese all lined up orderly after their recent disaster. In North America we use guns to maintain that kind of mutual consideration and order. Sic.

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(This post was last modified: 05-23-2012 01:54 AM by TorontoCPAPguy.)
05-23-2012 01:46 AM
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Machine: ResMed S9 AutoSet
Mask Type: Nasal pillows
Mask Make & Model: ResMed Mirage Swift II
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CPAP Pressure: 12.6 - 18 cmH20 (auto range)
CPAP Software: SleepyHead

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Location: Dixon, Illinois, USA

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RE: ResMed 12/24 volt DC Converter for S9 Series Machines [copied from old forum]
Howdy, TorontoCPAPguy, welcome to Apnea Board! Smile

Can't remember where I read it, but someone tried to hook up an S9 unit directly like you suggest to DC power (24 volt perhaps?) not sure. He used the same type of connector that the 12/24 volt DC converter uses.

Anyway, it was a failure. ResMed has something within the circuitry that can figure out whether or not it's connected to their proprietary 12/24 volt power brick, he said.

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05-23-2012 07:56 AM
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Machine: S9 Autoset II
Mask Type: Full face mask
Mask Make & Model:
Humidifier: H5i; Control III Germicide
CPAP Pressure: 12-20
CPAP Software: ResScan SleepyHead

Other Comments: CMS50EW Oximeter; Everflo Q O2 Concentrator; Quattro FFM; O2 Analyzer; Climate Control Hose (winter)

Sex: Male
Location: Toronto; Southern USA; etc.

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RE: ResMed 12/24 volt DC Converter for S9 Series Machines [copied from old forum]
(05-23-2012 07:56 AM)SuperSleeper Wrote:  Howdy, TorontoCPAPguy, welcome to Apnea Board! Smile

Can't remember where I read it, but someone tried to hook up an S9 unit directly like you suggest to DC power (24 volt perhaps?) not sure. He used the same type of connector that the 12/24 volt DC converter uses.

Anyway, it was a failure. ResMed has something within the circuitry that can figure out whether or not it's connected to their proprietary 12/24 volt power brick, he said.

Yup. Leave it to them to thwart us hard workers trying to save a buck. Paid $625 for my setup with humidifier (S9 Auto ). Then they caught on and banned advertising competitive pricing, etc. THAT used to be a criminal offense - seems to have fallen by the wayside. What ever happened to the free market economy? It is still a criminal offense up here in Kanada to conspire to fix prices and folks actually go to jail for it. The land of my birth, the greatest country in the world, the U.S.A. has shrivelled from a benchmark of democracy, freedom and good will towards man into something that I really don't like seeing. I still try to spend half the year down south where it's warm. I'll be hogtied to a steaming locomotive before I cave in when I can use a power inverter and give them a pure sine wave AC. Time for a Pres with the guts to uphold the Constitution and the laws that our nation was founded and built upon.

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Machine: ResMed S9 AutoSet
Mask Type: Nasal pillows
Mask Make & Model: ResMed Mirage Swift II
Humidifier: none
CPAP Pressure: 12.6 - 18 cmH20 (auto range)
CPAP Software: SleepyHead

Other Comments: Have diabetes Type II

Sex: Male
Location: Dixon, Illinois, USA

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RE: ResMed 12/24 volt DC Converter for S9 Series Machines [copied from old forum]
(05-23-2012 08:33 AM)TorontoCPAPguy Wrote:  The land of my birth, the greatest country in the world, the U.S.A. has shrivelled from a benchmark of democracy, freedom and good will towards man into something that I really don't like seeing. I still try to spend half the year down south where it's warm. I'll be hogtied to a steaming locomotive before I cave in when I can use a power inverter and give them a pure sine wave AC. Time for a Pres with the guts to uphold the Constitution and the laws that our nation was founded and built upon.

Ha! You sound like me. See our thread in the Off-Topic forum on some of these issues, here:

http://www.apneaboard.com/forums/Thread-...nstitution

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