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So, you nose breathers, either with assisting devices or not, how good is good?
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RE: So, you nose breathers, either with assisting devices or not, how good is good?
(11-08-2019, 11:35 PM)edfreeman Wrote:
(11-07-2019, 09:33 PM)OpalRose Wrote: Tongue Suck Technique:
Place your tongue to the roof of your mouth with tip of tongue behind front teeth.  Slowly suck upwards and back.
This places the tongue in a natural position, with the back of tongue sealing the back of the throat so that if you open your mouth/jaw while sleeping, no air will escape.

An adaptive take on this method is in my signature below. Try it for a few weeks and you may get the hang of it with a little time.
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RE: So, you nose breathers, either with assisting devices or not, how good is good?
(11-08-2019, 11:35 PM)edfreeman Wrote:
(11-07-2019, 09:33 PM)OpalRose Wrote: My leak rates are so low, almost non existent with using a P10 nasal pillow mask.  

I also learned early on in my treatment to practice the tongue suck method to keep air from leaking from my mouth, should my jaw fall open at night.  

It’s second nature to me now.  My tongue knows what to do and I rarely mouth breath.  So rare, that I would wake up immediately should that happen.

Tongue Suck Technique:
Place your tongue to the roof of your mouth with tip of tongue behind front teeth.  Slowly suck upwards and back.
This places the tongue in a natural position, with the back of tongue sealing the back of the throat so that if you open your mouth/jaw while sleeping, no air will escape.

Yeah, I can do that, just haven’t been very successful while unconscious.  A few % of large leak wouldn’t be so bad, but when the jaw drops for multi-minutes, mouth glued dry-shut from the full flow air escaping, it is a very disruptive awakening.

Collar helps, that “dual band” strap helps, trade off of which discomfort will it be tonight?  

The information from everyone was great, thanks for that.  And Opel, you and others are my nose breathing idols with no/very rare leakage.


This technique does work if you give it some time.  Everyone is different as I was able to adapt quickly.
I can actually talk with my mask on and not have air escape.  

I know the problem for some is that once asleep, the jaw may loosen and drop.  

You can practice this tongue technique during wake hours anytime, anywhere.  No one would know.  Keep at it, and if in a few weeks it doesn’t work, then you at least you know you tried.   Smile

BTW, I give credit to member DariaVader, who posted this technique back in 2014 when I came here.  I thought it sounded silly, but kept at it.  I’m glad I did.

Good luck!
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RE: So, you nose breathers, either with assisting devices or not, how good is good?
While practicing the tongue suck technique, while under pressure from your machine intentionally drop the tongue and put it back. This will help you learn exactly what is happening, it's OK if you need to stop/start the machine to reset. Also try to talk. These are just learning experiences. It took me months, glad I did it. I taped my lips while I was learning.
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RE: So, you nose breathers, either with assisting devices or not, how good is good?
For me, it’s not the tip of the tongue that forms the seal; it’s the mid-tongue. The tip of my tongue can be resting between my teeth or even protruding out between my lips a little. I sometimes even practice singing “Mary Had a Little Lamb” (badly) while running Mask Fit.

Even with a collar, I’ll get one or two brief mouth leaks per night. A few nights ago, I forgot to put on my collar. The leaks didn’t get any worse, and I slept better. So, now that I don’t seem to need it anymore, I’m experimenting without it. However, I do position my buckwheat hull pillow carefully to discourage chin tucking. I mostly sleep in my side.
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RE: So, you nose breathers, either with assisting devices or not, how good is good?
(11-10-2019, 09:31 PM)ragtopcircus Wrote: For me, it’s not the tip of the tongue that forms the seal; it’s the mid-tongue.

Agreed You're absolutely right; however, it's a good starting point for someone who wants to learn and practice the technique linked to in my signature.
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RE: So, you nose breathers, either with assisting devices or not, how good is good?
(11-08-2019, 11:03 PM)Sandyelle Wrote: I love my FFM (F30).   The design makes it easier for my mouth not to fly open during the night.   I no longer need to tape or use a chin strap.   The cushion covers my mouth in a way that makes it difficult to open my mouth.   I love the F30.   My numbers are great and I sleep well.   

Then you must be lucky to have a small mouth as the F30 is just not wide enough for for mouth, they make this mask with different size nasal cushions but on size mouth mask?
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