(05-29-2015 03:26 PM)AlanE Wrote:
(05-29-2015 12:09 PM)DocWils Wrote: you keep electing a party (rhymes with De-uglycan) that is in favour of rich people and can't give a tinker's cusp about the everyday worker, no matter what rhetorical nonsense they spout - big business is what they believe in, and big business doesn't care about anyone but themselves.
You've been listening to propaganda. Because if you think the democrats are all for the working class you have been hiding your head in the sand.
What is the purpose of being in business? It is to make money. That's it, nothing else. It's not to boost the economy. It's not to provide you with a job. It's not anything but making money. Why go through all the trouble of having a business if you don't make money? Do you think everyone should just sit on their butt and get free handouts or do you think they should work for a living? If you believe in the former, as most democrats do, good luck in poverty. If working for a living is the answer, who will provide those jobs? democrats had the house, the senate and WH and did nothing to boost the economy. They accomplished just the opposite. For that they lost the House. Their continuing down the path of destruction cost them the Senate. In 2016, it will cost them the WH. I have to laugh at the current US administration's attempt to 'boost the economy' with 'shovel-ready' jobs. The problem is they failed to say just what exactly they would be shoveling. It was all smoke and mirrors. Sorry, but you have this one wrong. I'm not a huge fan of republicans either but given a choice between the two, the lessor evil wins.
Nope, not swallowing propaganda of any sort, just observing your politics and economy for many years. And anyway, what propaganda? Do you think Swiss, French or German news has any desire to support one or the other side? We think your whole system is nuts. To be fair, we think our systems are nuts, too, but we get a lot of entertainment watching it, especially the Italians do their politics (you really should watch their parliamentary channel - it is a hoot). I don't watch American news, which is unavailable here anyway, except CNN and even then it is an international version that bears almost no resemblance to the US version. So how could I be buying any propaganda at all?
I doubt these days the Dems are any better at this than the Republicans, if they ever were, but the basic Republican credo has always been pro-big business and anti regulation, while the Dems were traditionally pro regulation. Funnily enough, the Republicans stood for almost diametrically opposite views to today's 150 years back. I wonder why they changed?
If it makes you feel any better, most countries have the same quandary - economics is a voodoo science at best, and if you put 15 economists into a room together, you get 15 theories, all vehemently disagreeing with one another. Fun, eh? I live in probably the banking capital of the world, unless you include Toronto (you can't spit without hitting a bank there (Mark Twain)) and most people have no idea what sort of money passes through them, and the one thing I can tell you is, if you have a choice between economic freedom or stability, choose stability every time. Regulations and keeping the industry at home is always your best bet, and the government is there to keep the greedy capitalists from acting in their own best interests instead of the interests of the people as best they can. That is how we do it here and so far, industry has not suffered and businesses make enough to feed their employees and still have a nice hefty sum left over to buy a house for the owner (and considering that houses here start at 1M for what would be a hovel in the US, that means something - the local equivalent of a McMansion, and yes we have some ugly things like that here too, would put you back a few M). So voting for parties that only want to deregulate (ah, right, Enron) do you no favours. Free markets still need fences, lest they spill over and cause chaos. Let me put it another way - would you prefer that medicine was deregulated so that any cowboy could do it? no, you want it to be strictly controlled, as you do all healthcare, because otherwise there are sharks that will take your money and kill you without a thought. So why should financial institutions and large companies not be regulated? The damage they can do to you with their greed is just as great. Sorry, rambling - winding down from a hard case and my mind is a bit, well, fuzzy and in need of a few Zzzzzzsss. And my dogs are barking like mad - 6 hours standing over a table ain't fun, nor is the three hours of paperwork after.
What I was saying in my previous posting is that you repeatedly re-elect the same viewpoints, ones that are not in your favour at all, and then expect things to be different each time. We know what that is a definition of, don't we?