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The PAP Police, "THEY DO NOT EXIST!
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RE: The PAP Police, "THEY DO NOT EXIST!
Technology is simply making a skill-set less relevant. It happened to my father and he was retired early against his will. During my career I had to adapt to the transition from pneumatic controls to analog to digital with several forks in the road along the way. This is how life works. Adapt or die.
The Singularity looms. I wonder what be our fate?

I use my PAP machine nightly and I feel great!
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04-30-2015 07:46 AM
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RE: The PAP Police, "THEY DO NOT EXIST!
Almost as bad as the car manufactures lobbying the government to make it illegal to work on your own car.



Using FlashAir W-03 SD card in machine. Access through wifi with FlashPAP or Sleep Master utilities.

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04-30-2015 03:10 PM
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Post: #13
RE: The PAP Police, "THEY DO NOT EXIST!
(04-30-2015 03:10 PM)AlanE Wrote:  Almost as bad as the car manufactures lobbying the government to make it illegal to work on your own car.

they are actually trying to use the DMCA to do just that....

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Tongue Suck Technique for prevention of mouth breathing:
  • Place your tongue behind your front teeth on the roof of your mouth
  • let your tongue fill the space between the upper molars
  • gently suck to form a light vacuum
Practising during the day can help you to keep it at night

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04-30-2015 03:49 PM
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Mark Douglas Offline

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Machine: Sys 1 (60) RemStar BiPAP Auto with Bi-Flex 760P Auto Bi-Level (Variabl
Mask Type: Nasal mask
Mask Make & Model: PR Wisp
Humidifier: PR Sys One heated
CPAP Pressure: RiseTime 3 Fxd E-9.0 / I-11.5
CPAP Software: SleepyHead EncoreBasic

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Post: #14
RE: The PAP Police, "THEY DO NOT EXIST!
(04-30-2015 03:49 PM)DariaVader Wrote:  
(04-30-2015 03:10 PM)AlanE Wrote:  Almost as bad as the car manufactures lobbying the government to make it illegal to work on your own car.

they are actually trying to use the DMCA to do just that....

HAH! My Volt is powered by the linux kernel

I use my PAP machine nightly and I feel great!
Updated: Philips Respironics System One (60 Series)
RemStar BiPAP Auto with Bi-FlexModel 760P -
Rise Time x3 Fixed Bi-Level EPAP 9.0 IPAP 11.5 (cmH2O)
04-30-2015 04:07 PM
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BiLevel48 Offline

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RE: The PAP Police, "THEY DO NOT EXIST!
(04-30-2015 06:08 AM)iSnore Wrote:  Mr. Porter was essentially given manual transmission cars that have to be completely stopped in order to change gears--and then told it was illegal to do so. For those who don't get the analogy, completely stopped means he would have to pause his sleep journey and wake up to adjust the pressures. His manual transmission was placed in a gear needed to get over hills along his route, but inappropriate for the majority of his journey, i.e. his night's sleep. Allowing Mr. Porter to change that gear before the journey might make him more comfortable, but might not get him over those hills. An automatic transmission could.

I have no illusion that automatic xPAP algorithms are optimal, or that one in the default range of 4-20 or 25 cm would be comfortable for the patient or would react fast enough from a low of 4 cm. And I recognize that a fixed pressure works better for some patients. But I think in this day and time, when we have automatic xPAPs with an alternate fixed pressure mode (like an automatic transmission with manual shifting capability), it's unconscionable lesser options are even sold, much less pushed by DMEs.

Edit to add: We on this forum are one-percenters--representing probably less than one percent of the xPAP-using population. Yet even here, not everyone has the knowledge or time to self-titrate, especially with a fixed pressure machine. While I don't believe the lie of illegality should be told, I do believe allowing the general population of users to adjust pressures will undoubtedly result in many, if not most, essentially untreated. For the one-percenters who have guidance from a forum of experienced users, both the ResMed and Respironics current models make it easy to access the clinician/provider menus by holding down the knob and button. What's really needed IMO is more education of doctors and DMEs.

You know what? I want you to know that your comment really really said a lot, and I totally must agree with you. You know, I think that if there was MORE EDUCATION, there would be such a profound difference. The thing is, there is so many people, so many patients who use xPAP and who just use it, not knowing really much about it, or anything hardly at all. I know of one friend who I have been blessed dearly by. She has a CPAP machine. She does not even know her own pressure. Every time I see her, I always ask her what her pressure is and she is like, "Well Peter? I have not looked." I think that DMEs AND patients really need to be educated. DMEs need to be educated and then taught to help and educate their patients. Because I've heard of horror stories where the machine was just delivered, and very quick instructions were given, and then the machine was left with the patient. Essentially, the machine was given to the patient, and the DME provider, OR EVEN WORSE, the DELIVERY person, who really has no idea what it is for, much less how it is used, just drops the piece of equipment off at the patient's door, says something like the following, and then leaves.

"Hello.


Oh yeah, I am here to deliver your breathing machine. You just plug it in, put some water in the humidifier, put the mask on, turn it on, and then, you're ready to go to sleep."

There is not even a mask fit performed. One of numerous masks is given to the patient, that mask may be a nasal pillows selection, may be a nasal mask, or may be a full face mask.

AND THEN WHAT?

The delivery person leaves.

When the patient goes to bed that night, they realize that something is not right.

Well, DUHHHHHHHH, They were not instructed in regards to the usage of the RAMP BUTTON, they were not instructed on exactly how much the humidifier needs to be filled. They were not instructed on the usage of the device itself, much less what exactly the machine is used for. They were not instructed on so many many more things that are of such profound importance.

They are just given the machine, and then kicked to the kurb as you might call it.

Now that is utterly sad.

I think for PAP therapy, EDUCATION of the DME, AND, the patient is CRITICAL for successful usage chances at all. I could go on and on for hours. FOR HOURS. And the mask fit thing? Uhhhhhhhhh, Not every patient is going to do well with a nasal pillows selection interface. Not everybody is going to do well with a Nasal mask. Not everybody is going to do well with a Full Face Mask. I have seen it happen to people before, and really? It is just down right heart breaking.
04-30-2015 05:53 PM
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Bilevel, could you please not use capitals when typing. After a day at work I come home to relax...and your posts read like someone is yelling at me. I understand you are excited to have found this board and are enthusiastic. May I suggest smilies, italics or bold instead?

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04-30-2015 08:24 PM
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(04-30-2015 08:24 PM)trailrider Wrote:  Bilevel, could you please not use capitals when typing. After a day at work I come home to relax...and your posts read like someone is yelling at me. I understand you are excited to have found this board and are enthusiastic. May I suggest smilies, italics or bold instead?

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Ohhhhh, I am so sorry. I do not mean to yell. In fact my intention is not to yell. I do not use capitals as yelling. I have had a habbit for years of when I am attempting to imphasize something, I without knowing it always use all caps. In no way whatsoever do I mean to yell. I just mean to point how profoundly important something is when I use all caps. I have had this habbit for years, but I actually have done it not even knowing it when I'm stressing something of profound importance. I don't do it with an intention of yelling. I am so sorry if I have sonded like I am yelling. Even when I am writing stories or something, I without even knowing it use caps lock. I mean, for example if I'm stressing how critical a patient's condition is, I might use the phraise below with all caps where needed.

This patient is PROFOUNDLY ILL, AND HE MUST be intubated IMMEDIATELY."

I love the medical field as you might be able to tell. But I without even knowing it use caps lock, and It just seems natural to me, but if I am sounding that I am yelling, if I make it appear that way, I am going to have to work on this habbit. Its a big one. I mean, I do it all the time. I've turned my caps lock on just as habbit in imphasizing something, or stressing something, and then did not even realize I'd done it and I looked hours later and It was on. So It is such a profound habbit that Is not meant to yell. I'm so sorry.
04-30-2015 08:36 PM
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Machine: A10 Autoset for Her
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CPAP Software: SleepyHead

Other Comments: engineer. EPR at 3, unheated hose, humidity at 2. Routine hose entanglement.

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No worries! I work in a very large organization, and caps are used for very specific reasons, including emergency actions. Anything less does not require it. Thank you for understanding! Smile
04-30-2015 09:11 PM
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(04-30-2015 09:11 PM)trailrider Wrote:  No worries! I work in a very large organization, and caps are used for very specific reasons, including emergency actions. Anything less does not require it. Thank you for understanding! Smile

Ohhhh. I understand exactly what you mean in regards to Caps being used in emergencies. I can totally understand. Thank you for understanding my habbit. I am going to work on that. Because I would hate to sound like I'm a yelling weirdo all of the time. Lol! You know, I really appreciate your comments on my posts. You really have helped me a lot. I think we need moremembers like you on the Apnea Board.
04-30-2015 09:15 PM
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Trailrider could you use more caps? It sounds like you are whispering all the time. :-)
05-01-2015 12:53 AM
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