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(04-29-2015 07:10 PM)PaytonA Wrote:  
(04-29-2015 01:53 PM)AirSign Wrote:  
(04-29-2015 01:18 PM)GeoffD Wrote:  GMO food isn't the problem. Almost everything we eat has been selectively bred for centuries. The problem is Monsanto-created crops that can be weeded with RoundUp. I'd be totally happy eating GMO food that was grown using organic techniques so I'm not eating pesticides and weed killer.

The whole purpose of GMO seeds, though, is to make them resistant to the herbicides and other chemicals used. There's no point in buying Genetically Modified seeds if you are going to grow them organically.

I am not sure that this is totally accurate. I do not know about genetic modification to make crops resistant to herbicides. I do know, however, that genetic alterations are done to make crops more resistant to pests and diseases. They may also make modifications to make crops more resistant to spoilage. I would think that crops more resistant to diseases and pests would be a benefit to organic husbandry.

I am not necessarily in favor of some of the modification that is done to crops. Take the tomato for instance. It appears to me that tomatoes have been created with tougher skins so they travel better. At the same time tomatoes from the store have lost a lot of their flavor.

Just my thoughts.

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Actually they are genetically modifying the crops to produce pesticides. the pesticide is now in the dna of the plant and cannot be washed off; this is how they are being made "resistant"

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(04-30-2015 02:20 PM)DariaVader Wrote:  Actually they are genetically modifying the crops to produce pesticides. the pesticide is now in the dna of the plant and cannot be washed off; this is how they are being made "resistant"

Yes.

And the interesting thing is, the bugs are developing immunity to the pesticides. Requiring the companies to develop new profit centers by creating new modified organisms.
And there are now "super-weeds" which are immune to the glysophate.

Like the war on drugs, it's a growth industry. Bain Capital created a very impressive business strategy for Monsanto between 1977 and 1985, when the company was under attack for PCB contamination and Agent Orange disabilities. New PR message - we're going to help feed the world.
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The correct term is "transgenic" organism. The GMO term is simply wrong, but it does get misused by a LOT of people.

"Transgenic" is transferring a gene from a different organism.

"Cisgenic" is transferring a gene from a related organism. You can do this through crossbreeding, but you usually use the "cisgenic" term only when you use some sort of DNA manipulation by other than the normal sexual reproduction path.

I'm not sure there's a clear term for "transgenic" organisms using fully synthetic DNA, rather than DNA from another living organism. I don't think they're doing that with our food yet.

I'm not that concerned about "GMO" food, but we do need to throw Monsanto's management and all the politicians they've bought off in jail for the rest of their lives because of the lawsuit abuse they've done and the fact that their stuff spreads in the environment to other farmer's crops.

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(04-30-2015 10:25 PM)archangle Wrote:  The correct term is "transgenic" organism. The GMO term is simply wrong, but it does get misused by a LOT of people.

"Transgenic" is transferring a gene from a different organism.

"Cisgenic" is transferring a gene from a related organism. You can do this through crossbreeding, but you usually use the "cisgenic" term only when you use some sort of DNA manipulation by other than the normal sexual reproduction path.

I'm not sure there's a clear term for "transgenic" organisms using fully synthetic DNA, rather than DNA from another living organism. I don't think they're doing that with our food yet.
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Thanks for those terms, archangle. Very helpful clarification.

As for synthetic DNA, and whether they're doing that yet, the worry for me is that we don't know. We're not told. There's immensely inadequate oversight from the regulatory agencies, such as EPA, FDA, USDA, and not because their staff are bad people, but a lot because they've not been adequately funded to do the work of protecting us. Not even for basic meat and slaughterhouse inspections, and let's not mention ports and imports, let alone what goes on in immensely wealthy corporations' labs.

Oh, and yes, I do eat meat. Fortunate enough to live where I can be an locavore, getting my meat from farms I can visit, and often have done so. Probably about 70% locavore. What's imported here is more from Prince Edward Island and Florida than from California.

But also love those fresh bamboo shoots from Domincan Republic. Today's menu includes dandelion greens from a pasture nearby. Harvested* by me. Hope to get more so I can make some dandelion pesto for the freezer.

A close relative is a retired Ag economist. Wish I could share some of the stories I've heard.

*Edit -- guess the more correct term is "foraged."
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(04-30-2015 10:25 PM)archangle Wrote:  I'm not that concerned about "GMO" food, but we do need to throw Monsanto's management and all the politicians they've bought off in jail for the rest of their lives because of the lawsuit abuse they've done and the fact that their stuff spreads in the environment to other farmer's crops.

Agreed. Their stuff spreads to other non-Monsanto farms via the wind, then the non-Monsanto farmer's crops get inadvertantly cross-bred with the Monsanto-patented genetic material (or whatever it's called) whereupon Monsanto sues the non-Monsanto farmer into oblivion for "using" their patented genetically-altered seeds.

They are able to take samples from his crops that were inadvertently infected via the wind and falsely claim that the non-Monsanto farmer is infringing upon their patent. Thus, they effectively monopolize the seed market in the U.S. by destroying all competition. These small farmers simply can't afford to engage in a drawn-out legal fight with a huge multinational agricultural corporation and their heavy-handed legal team.

It's a losing battle for the farmers who refuse to use Monsanto seeds, since it's nearly impossible to have a "completely pure" crop that is not in some way infected with the Monsanto hybrid pollen. Unless the wind stops, which ain't gonna happen any time soon.

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FDA would rather regulate consumer prooducts like 23andme than do the work to regulate monsanto and their ilk Angry

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Humphhh... None of this stuff has anything to do with finding my pet cow, which is why I started this thread....... I didn't start this thread? Oh... Well then, where's my pet cow?
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(05-01-2015 10:02 AM)DariaVader Wrote:  FDA would rather regulate consumer products like 23andme than do the work to regulate monsanto and their ilk Angry

I was very disappointed that 23andme was no longer offering their tests.[Image: censored.gif]

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(05-01-2015 12:14 PM)justMongo Wrote:  
(05-01-2015 10:02 AM)DariaVader Wrote:  FDA would rather regulate consumer products like 23andme than do the work to regulate monsanto and their ilk Angry

I was very disappointed that 23andme was no longer offering their tests.[Image: censored.gif]

they still offer tests! they just can't give health reports... you can take the raw data tho and plug it into all sorts of third party tools, tho. Some like Livewello keep the record (and your genome) on their servers, but others like promethease leave the data on your computer.

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(05-01-2015 09:36 AM)SuperSleeper Wrote:  They are able to take samples from his crops that were inadvertently infected via the wind and falsely claim that the non-Monsanto farmer is infringing upon their patent.

You don't understand how evil this really is. The way the law is written by the bought and paid for politicians, if their patented pollen infects your seed plants against your will and without your knowledge, if you plant your own seed, you have committed a crime.

If you raise your own seeds, you may be committing a crime because the GMO pollen invaded your plants without your knowledge. Note that you have committed the crime, not the invader.

You can't plant seeds from your neighbor, or from the commodity market, either. With their corrupt politicians and their lawyers, the genetic engineering companies have effectively made it illegal to not buy seeds from the agribusiness giants.

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