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Vegan diet
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Just came back from an appointment with my cardiologist ,never any good news, but he is trying to get the wife and I to use a vegan diet. he says I'm already on too many meds.

We start a 1 hour per week, 6 week course, with him next week on healthy eating.

I'm sorry, but I'm 65 and have been a meat and potato man all my life. I enjoy dairy products and food that has a mother.

Just asking if anyone else on the forum is , or has tried to become, a Vegan? If so is it as hard to change as I imagine it will be?

Any input would be appreciated.
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Bompa
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#2
Actually, no it it isn't nearly so hard any more - tons of meat substitutes for vegans, including Quorn, which is now available in North America (not sure about Canada), Seitan and other things that taste sort of meaty and provide tons of protein with no fat and little salt.

Without even trying, I have been graduating toward Veganism, simply because today I can buy all sorts of things that make it easier. And I like vegetables well enough - the trick is variety and willingness to experiment and try new things. My problem is I don't eat fruit - I really should, but for some reason I never get around to it.

veganism isn't all that hard, but had he said go Macrobiotic, then you would have had a tougher time. so be grateful for this and give it a go. It can have a marked effect very rapidly, and you will have reduced your cancer risk as well.
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#3
Well, I *could* switch to an all chocolate diet. But vegan? It seems like anything/everything I enjoy is bad for me, even in small doses. So I still have one bad habit (Pepsi), but otherwise I have pretty much stopped eating unless my wife puts it in front of me.

I do miss 'Taco Bell', 'Arby's', etc...
*I* am not a DOCTOR or any type of Health Care Professional. My thoughts/suggestions/ideas are strictly only my opinions.

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(11-22-2013, 12:40 PM)DocWils Wrote: Actually, no it it isn't nearly so hard any more - tons of meat substitutes for vegans, ...

Vegetables are what food eats!

It is the consumption of meat that has caused the human rate to develop intelligence in the first place. Think about it: how much smarts does it take to sneak up on a blade of grass?
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(11-22-2013, 12:34 PM)Bompa Wrote: Just came back from an appointment with my cardiologist ,never any good news, but he is trying to get the wife and I to use a vegan diet. he says I'm already on too many meds.

We start a 1 hour per week, 6 week course, with him next week on healthy eating.

I'm sorry, but I'm 65 and have been a meat and potato man all my life. I enjoy dairy products and food that has a mother.

Just asking if anyone else on the forum is , or has tried to become, a Vegan? If so is it as hard to change as I imagine it will be?

Any input would be appreciated.
Thanks
Bompa
Coffee
I am cynical about vegan diets. My wife has been studying nutrition fanatically for the last couple of years and she is very cynical. Last Saturday at age 67 I went on a 60 mile group bike ride with over 4000 feet of climbing and the last 20 miles into a fierce headwind. There were those younger that came in after me. I have been cycling a lot in the last 4-5 years. My blood work regards heart health is better than it was when I was 40 with very low triglycerides, HDL through the roof, low CRP and etc. I take no statins or blood pressure meds and don't plan to ever start. I have lost 45 lbs and 4 1/2" off my waist while eating all the meat and meat fats I want. The cycling group met for a meal after the ride, and I enjoyed a 12 oz choice Angus ribeye. I can't imagine exercising like I do either on a vegan diet or taking heart meds. I am sure some do it, but its not for me.

I eat as much as I want of any real food. I don't miss all the high glycemic index crap like Coca-Cola and sweet rolls that I used to consume. My wife has me convinced that soy products are not healthy and I never liked soy products pitifully trying to emulate meat anyways.

Exercising is not hard. As least not for me. Exercise has become a benign addiction. I have cabin fever right now because of all the ***** rain.

What did the your vegan doc say about exercise? Perhaps you already get ample exercise, but, if not, you might consider what form you could get to like. Personally, I enjoy the company of 25-year-old cute young female triathletes on my group rides. Smile

Don in Austin
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(11-22-2013, 12:40 PM)DocWils Wrote: Actually, no it it isn't nearly so hard any more - tons of meat substitutes for vegans, including Quorn.....

Not everyone thinks Quorn is wholesome: http://www.cspinet.org/quorn/

Quorn contains egg whites so is not a strictly vegan product. http://www.vegparadise.com/news16.html "Because all Quorn products contain egg whites and some contain dairy, none of them are vegan."

If I want something that tastes and feels like meat, I will eat real meat. My wife generally buys organic and grass-fed.

Don in Austin
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#7
Three years ago I started riding a recumbent trike. Still have a lot of weight to lose, but my overall health is steadily improving. Even rode the trike 3 weeks after my hip replacement (only 3 miles a day, slowly).

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How I trike-camp on the GAP in the summer:
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*I* am not a DOCTOR or any type of Health Care Professional. My thoughts/suggestions/ideas are strictly only my opinions.

"Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you. Jesus Christ and the American Soldier. One died for your Soul, the other for your Freedom."
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(11-22-2013, 06:33 PM)Peter_C Wrote: Three years ago I started riding a recumbent trike. Still have a lot of weight to lose, but my overall health is steadily improving. Even rode the trike 3 weeks after my hip replacement (only 3 miles a day, slowly).

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How I trike-camp on the GAP in the summer:
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Way to go! Don't feel bad about relatively few miles given the load you are towing. Hell, don't feel bad about whatever miles regardless! Can't wait to hear how you are doing a year hence!
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#9
Cool. I like bikes. I have a black Trek 520.

Hoping PollCat chimes in here... he's got a recumbent also.

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As for the veggie stuff, I'm a hard-core meat & cheese man. I'm hooked, I'm an addict, I admit it. Crying-into-tissue

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(11-22-2013, 06:11 PM)Don in Austin Wrote:
(11-22-2013, 12:40 PM)DocWils Wrote: Actually, no it it isn't nearly so hard any more - tons of meat substitutes for vegans, including Quorn.....

Not everyone thinks Quorn is wholesome: http://www.cspinet.org/quorn/

Quorn contains egg whites so is not a strictly vegan product. http://www.vegparadise.com/news16.html "Because all Quorn products contain egg whites and some contain dairy, none of them are vegan."

If I want something that tastes and feels like meat, I will eat real meat. My wife generally buys organic and grass-fed.

Don in Austin

Quorn has been on sale in Switzerland for well over a decade and a half, and we have not had one reported allergenic reaction. All vegetarian restaurants have it on their menus, as do many normal restaurants.

However, if you are intolerant to mushrooms, you may wish to give Quorn a miss, and the descriptions in the article are of food intolerances, and are not dangerous except to those with such intolerances. As for saying it should be removed from sale, then we should remove milk from sale as well, as all adults develop a lactose intolerance to a lesser or greater extent and some develop an extreme version of it. Should we also ban wheat products, like bread, because those with Crohn's Disease could be adversely affected? It is up to you to know what you are eating and what you cannot eat.

I am unaware of any major complaints in the UK either. It may be that the US manufacturer is doing something different than either the UK or Switzerland. Also checking on the packages I have of various Quorn products in my refrigerator, all are Vegan approved and none use egg whites or dairy, so again, it may the US manufacturer's variants that is the problem.
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