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Waking up in the middle of the night
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(10-14-2012, 12:50 PM)StuUnderPressure Wrote:
(10-14-2012, 12:54 AM)dcgrafix Wrote:
(10-13-2012, 08:33 PM)StuUnderPressure Wrote: If you believe Dr. Oz & his expert, you are taking way too much Melatonin.

See http://www.doctoroz.com/episode/why-mela...ideo=14647

That was an interesting show & yet nothing changes, we still get bad products advertised & sold to us as "all Natural & safe" but are doing us harm.
MAKES Me SICK! Perturbed

I did try for a while a few years back but lucky for me it only helped a little on a few nights & then nothing so I stopped.

I don't know how it is in Canada, but in the USA "supplements" do not have to get approval like prescription drugs do.

So, they claim those supplements can do just about anything based on a "study" some Quack did in the Ukraine in his closet. (I AM kidding, or am I?)

Yes it is the same here in Canada about "supplements" do not have to get approval like prescription drugs do.
Things like melatonin & hundred's of others can be bought in most drug stores, health foods stores & you can get monster size bottles form Costco & non of these behind the counter.
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(10-14-2012, 12:50 PM)StuUnderPressure Wrote: I don't know how it is in Canada, but in the USA "supplements" do not have to get approval like prescription drugs do.

So, they claim those supplements can do just about anything based on a "study" some Quack did in the Ukraine in his closet. (I AM kidding, or am I?)

I don't think they even need the Ukranian study to make the claim. They just have to put something about "These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease."
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(10-14-2012, 06:15 AM)zonk Wrote: [Image: images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRAZYA_oMtMSxOC_SVCbM2...VwLZQv5RAc]

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If it was on Dr. Oz show or "Dr." Phil show, I already know it was quackery or sponsored.
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Dr. Oz impressed me when he first appeared on Oprah. Since then he's flopped. His show is sensationalism at best.

When I clicked on the links to watch the bit about Melatonin all I saw were teasers. Did anyone have the patience to find out just exactly what their objection is to Melatonin?

My experience with it has been that it does work, but like all sleep aids it stops working after I take it for a while. When I stop taking it I don't get a rebound effect like I do with Lunesta.
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From Wikipedia
Melatonin has been reported in foodstuffs including cherries to about 0.17-13.46 ng/g, bananas and grapes, rice and cereals, herbs, olive oil,
wine and beer
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As far as the Dr. Oz show "what their objection is to Melatonin" it was mostly about the Mg per pill are all over dose amounts & you shouldn't take them late in the night after you wake up say at 2:00 am or 3:00 am & take more to get back to sleep. It messes up the natural chemicals that tell your body it is night time & time to sleep so it make things worse.

All I know is my system is already broken & it was broken long before trying Melatonin.

For me if I don't take my sleep meds I just don't sleep just sit there all night with eyes open hour after hour.
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(10-15-2012, 10:01 PM)dcgrafix Wrote: As far as the Dr. Oz show "what their objection is to Melatonin" it was mostly about the Mg per pill are all over dose amounts & you shouldn't take them late in the night after you wake up say at 2:00 am or 3:00 am & take more to get back to sleep. It messes up the natural chemicals that tell your body it is night time & time to sleep so it make things worse.

Melatonin is a natural substance that your body produces. Darkness triggers the onset of production, and light in the morning turns it off. Its half life is only 30-45 minutes.

Some things I do not know:

1) How much does the normal person produce per hour?

2) Do some people not produce enough? Is there a test to determine your endogenous production?

3) It does no good to produce it if your body does not absorb it. Do some people not utilize it properly? Would adding an external dose help such people? How can you tell what is a proper dose?

I asked my friend Mr. Google, but he just shrugged and said "beats me."
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Some good questions you have maybe we will get some answers to to them?
Anyone out there with some facts & knowledge on the subject of Melatonin good or bad??
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(10-10-2012, 09:05 PM)JJJ Wrote: My best results are with 3 mg melatonin and 50 mg doxylamine succinate at dusk and 20 mg melatonin time release at bedtime. That combinatioin gets me down to four or five arousals.
I would like to hear about:
- how often you wake up
- medications that you have tried and the results (both prescription and OTC)
- sleep hygiene things that have helped, or not helped
studies, articles and other reports of scientific inquiry
- anything else that you know about the subject

(10-11-2012, 02:49 PM)Sleepster Wrote: The other night I set a record of six hours without waking. On the other hand, it could just be that I don't remember waking. There's no way to tell the difference without a sleep study, and the instruments used for the sleep study will interfere with that very measurement, so there's in effect no way to figure that out.

(10-13-2012, 08:07 AM)johns019 Wrote: On a good night - I may sleep 5 Hrs. I usually fall asleep ok, but then wake up and can't get back to sleep.
I've had the problem for years. About this time last year, I finally talked to my Dr about it. He gave me a script for Nortriptyline _ its main use is as an antidepressant, but he said it has a side effect that helps you sleep. I have also tried the Nyquil ZZZ stuff - may have helped me to get the 5 hrs anyway. But I really don't think I'd try to use it every night. A couple drinks also gets me 5 hrs - other than that I wake up every couple hrs.

Just wondering how you guys have made out with trying to reduce or eliminate the middle-of-the-night wake-ups. Have you come up with any new revelations?

Similar to the OP ("JJJ"), after 6 months with CPAP, I continue to wakeup up absolutely every night after about 4 hours of sleep and find it impossible to get back to anything that might be called "sleep".

It's as though the body clock -- or perhaps the body's own Melatonin production - is completely re-adjusted. I read the post about not taking Melatonin in the middle of the night. I'm trying absolutely everything/anything (except a hammer to knock me out) to get back to a quick rest. I haven't tried "Intermezzo" yet which is supposed to be the only approved middle-of-the-night sleep aid.

I'm curious if that 20mg TR Melatonin is still working out. It actually sounds like a logical approach; but of course, that Dr. Oz warning scares me a little.
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