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What the Manufacturers REALLY Think About the Patients
#51
(12-09-2015, 08:21 PM)PoolQ Wrote: Amusing. Quoting an internet source as an expert. It's expensive because we pay so little? really? If I got prime rib for $1 a pound I would personally not call it expensive.

Sorry folks, I just couldn't resist.

SOMEONE is paying for the other 86%. Who do you think that might be?

I use my PAP machine nightly and I feel great!
Updated: Philips Respironics System One (60 Series)
RemStar BiPAP Auto with Bi-FlexModel 760P -
Rise Time x3 Fixed Bi-Level EPAP 9.0 IPAP 11.5 (cmH2O)
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#52
Moving this thread to the Off-Topic forum, since it's gone off-topic from the OP several times.

Feel free to keep the discussion going, folks. While no one has violated a rule yet, just try to remember to keep it civil with no name-calling or personal attacks.

... carry on... Coffee
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#53
My thoughts:

If manufacturers treat patients / users as cattle than, it's only because most patients are... like cattle. I'm sure that most OSA patients simply get the machine, mask and supplies that the doc prescribes and DME suggests. It's a small percentage that take really active role in their own treatment.

Despite that, there are some significant improvements in the usability / functionality of the machines, masks and what have you. How did it happen? Well, since DMEs, manufacturers and any other business must make profit to stay in business, they have to offer what actually sells so, like it or not, manufacturers have to take into the account what cattle wants.
For example; IF every patient would choose data capable machine, they would stop making bricks...
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(12-10-2015, 11:44 AM)GPSMapNut Wrote: My thoughts:

If manufacturers treat patients / users as cattle than, it's only because most patients are... like cattle. ...

ah yes... sheeple Big Grin
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Tongue Suck Technique for prevention of mouth breathing:
  • Place your tongue behind your front teeth on the roof of your mouth
  • let your tongue fill the space between the upper molars
  • gently suck to form a light vacuum
Practising during the day can help you to keep it at night

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(12-10-2015, 10:42 AM)SuperSleeper Wrote: While no one has violated a rule yet, just try to remember to keep it civil with no name-calling or personal attacks.

... carry on... Coffee

Hey I'm doing my part! Grin
A certain someone now has the honor of being the first and only person on my Users to Ignore List. Too-funny

I use my PAP machine nightly and I feel great!
Updated: Philips Respironics System One (60 Series)
RemStar BiPAP Auto with Bi-FlexModel 760P -
Rise Time x3 Fixed Bi-Level EPAP 9.0 IPAP 11.5 (cmH2O)
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#56
We can get it back on track or completely off the rail... your pick!

I personally know couple people who use CPAP. They just do whatever they are told by the COC and DME. They have no clue what an APAP is. They have no clue what AHI is. They have no clue what... Well, just weeks ago I was like that so, I can not blame them. The truth is; I'm here only because I'm a square head and I need a new machine and I refuse to know less than my DME knows and that, so far, appears to be the easy part... Wink
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(12-10-2015, 08:58 AM)Mark Douglas Wrote: and you dismiss as opinion of someone who makes his living in the field of economics and finance. Are your qualifications superior to his?
There is much more supporting documentation should you care to avail yourself to it.
But is OK Ed. You probably had another bad night and I understand that from first person experience.

Oh I'm having pretty darned good nights lately. And yes I dismiss the opinions of most economists just as I dismiss the advice of astrologers.
So far as science is concerned they are generally at about the same level, with a very few shining exceptions.

Economists generally make a living by telling lies that support the people at the top of the ladder so they feel better about themselves.

There have been any number of good peer reviewed papers comparing total medical costs in the USA with other countries that have single payer health system and the USA always comes in last and as well has generally poorer results for the health of the people in those countries. This is an empirical fact and you can like or dislike it, but it won't change the fact.

For every economist that will tell you how bad government supplied healthcare is I can quote another that says the very opposite. I won't bore you with it because if you want to find out the actual truth you will do the research and if, on the other hand, you simply want to keep your current opinions (which you are of course perfectly entitled to do) you will search out only those who support the opinions you already have.

If you by some chance want to read a book that will disillusion you about economics and economists I can recommend "Debunking Economics" by Steve Keen (an economist himself, mind you) who, by the way correctly predicted the great financial crash of 2008 about two years in advance. Or you could check out his channel on the YouTube. He has a doctorate in Economics by the way.

Ed Seedhouse
VA7SDH

Part cow since February 2018.

Trust your mind less and your brain more.


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#58
Has anyone experienced after sales
Support from HDM? I have a defective Z1 auto but they are asking for a form that I should ask from the supplier before sending it to them. Rather than making it easier for the end user and make haste to repair their defective product, they require this unnecessary step.
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(04-18-2018, 12:44 PM)vincedg Wrote: Has anyone experienced after sales
Support from HDM? I have a defective Z1 auto but they are asking for a form that I should ask from the supplier before sending it to them. Rather than making it easier for the end user and make haste to repair their defective product, they require this unnecessary step.


Most CPAP manufacturers view the DME (Durable Medical Equipment supplier) as "their customer".  They don't see you (the end user) as "their customer" at all.  They see you as the "customer of the DME", and that's likely the reason they referred you to the DME for initiating any warranty work.

It's that attitude that we've been fighting against for years (the attitude that CPAP manufacturers don't see us as their customer).

Cool
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