By the way Grant - which model machine and mask do you have? The S8 you've listed for the mask is actually a machine model (a pretty old one). The masks tend to have names like Quattro and Mirage though the latest range have reverted to numbers (P10, N10 and F10). If you have in fact got an S8 machine I hope you got a huge discount!
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02-24-2016, 08:28 AM
(This post was last modified: 02-24-2016, 08:29 AM by cohngr.)
Hi again Paul
It is an S8 - but just a rental - I will go for a much more recent model when have to buy one.
The mask .... I believe is an el-cheapo Chinese thing (sold to me by an unscrupulous person before I knew much about these things!).
It does seem to do the trick though....
Thanks for the extra feedback!
Oh yes Miss Rose :-).... So many thank for that link!
APAP machines have straight CPAP modes, so there is no conceivable reason to offer a straight CPAP. Other than marketing. I suspect many folks first get a CPAP brick foisted on them, and then want an upgrade to a data capable CPAP and finally an APAP. The evil marketers get to sell three machines rather than one that will do everything.
Glad you are being proactive on your treatment. The medical folks do not live in your body, you do; so it is always a good idea to know what is going on.
The data is SO helpful - it really tells you and the medical staff what is going with YOU as you get used to the XPAP as time marches on.
Evpraxia in the Pacific Northwest USA
Diagnosed: 44 AHI when supine, O2 down to 82%
Treated since 20 Sept 2014:: 0.7 AHI, Settings 7-15, EPR on Full Time at Level 3
Better living through CPAP/APAP machines!
Personally, I'm all for APAP because, I get good results at (mostly) much lower pressure than with CPAP.
My prescribed pressure for CPAP was 15 cmH2O. My APAP runs 90% of the time at 10.5 or lower!
IF I had a dumb CPAP with no data capability, I couldn't even evaluate the effectiveness of the treatment other than by judging how I feel in the morning.
With a data capable CPAP, I could evaluate the treatment and maybe try lower pressures. With a really smart CPAP like DreamStation Pro, I could let the machine evaluate and adjust the pressure in long term but it would still not react to events in real time. If I set lower pressure, I'd be sometimes subjected to periods of high AHI
With APAP, the machine reacts and adjusts in real time.
Why do they still make straight CPAP machines? I think that it is so because there market for these and there is no conspiracy.
If a manufacturer stopped making them, he'd simply loose the sales to the manufacturer that kept on making such. It would take all major manufacturers to agree to stop making CPAPs and that would not be legal in many countries.
For at least some manufacturers, dumb CPAPs do differ in hardware from smart ones. They may even have different blowers, motor drives and control circuits. Smart CPAPs ( I think) typically have exactly the same hardware as their APAP counterparts but, keep in mind that manufacturers have to recover not only direct costs of manufacturing but also all the engineering, software and R&D costs and I bet that they assign higher portion of these costs to APAPs than to CPAPs. Heck, for all I know, they could say that smart CPAPs are only a side effect of developing APAPs so, all of these costs must be charged to APAP account.
Everything I post on this board is nothing more than an opinion expressed by an apneak. Normally, it's based on facts and experience but sometimes, I may get things wrong or not have all the facts.
I reserve the right to change my mind. Why? Because tomorrow I may know better.
There is logic and then there is reality. I have read posts from other forums where people say CPAP is all you need and anything else is for kids.
My guess is that as CPAP machines advanced some people just said they don't want all the bells and whistles, just give me a lower cost CPAP. Then there are insurance companies that want to do the minimum required and offer only CPAP to save a buck.
As for the manufacturers, the hardware cost of the machine is fixed for all types, but the R&D cost and field trials and FDA stuff is not. That little algorithm is what they are really selling and it costs a lot to develop, prove, and certify. Accounting wise they are probably making more profit on the plain CPAP machines.