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(08-25-2016 10:45 PM)eseedhouse Wrote:  
(08-24-2016 10:44 AM)Ghost1958 Wrote:  Daria with all due respect, defferfence, and a bowed head , lol. What area is government involved in, or has been in the past, where they did not make a royal mess of whatever it sticks its fingers in??

I'm in Canada where the Fear Of Government syndrome is not so virulent and I can think of lots of things. Here in B.C. the Government does many things well or at least they did until the current crew got in.

B.C. Hydro when it was run by the Government gave us the cheapest and most reliable and greenest electricity on the continent, now being ruined by the current "liberal" crew. The Government ferry service was fast, efficient, and even friendly until some clown decided to "privatize" it. Now it costs a lot more for much worse service.


The whole interstate highway system in the USA was built by the Federal government under that terrible socialist, Dwight D. Eisenhower. In the 1960's the US government put men on the moon. And the technology developed for that lead to cheap home computers and the internet which was originally started by the government.

Is it so hard to comprehend that some things are run better by Government and some by the private sector? There are quite a few things that government shouldn't do, but there are some it should do.

And of course every dollar in your pocket was created by the Federal Treasury. Maybe we should give everybody the power to create their own money, what could go wrong with that.....?

Great post, chum of mine over there says much the same about your new ruler.
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Post: #22
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In Australia you can just buy one... no prescription needed.
However, the sleep clinics are just as protective of their " secret" menu.... I got a whole lot of attitude last time I went in for an appointment.
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That makes this forum such a great education. Read Read and Read some more. Lots of points of view and more experience than Med School.
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(08-24-2016 10:44 AM)Ghost1958 Wrote:  What area is government involved in, or has been in the past, where they did not make a royal mess of whatever it sticks its fingers in??

Governments always make messes, no doubt. But there are many messes that would be much much worse if not for governments.

Medical care is one. Without a government it would be much much worse than it is now.

There are ways to use government to make medical care better. One way, in my opinion, is up-front pricing. All medical care providers, whether it's a service or a piece of equipment they're providing, should be required to provide an up-front guaranteed price. If, during any procedure or equipment sale, they don't get as much money from an insurance provider as they had anticipated, they cannot pass the extra cost on to the patient. They must eat it. They can then cancel their contract with that insurance provider to prevent it from happening in the future, if they so desire. Also, the amount of money they receive for any given piece of equipment or service, must be the same for all patients. They cannot receive $2500 from one sale because that patient's insurance doesn't cover the service or item, and only $1500 for the same sale to another patient because that patient's insurance covers it (for example, $500 from patient plus $1000 from insurance company, whereas they get $2500 from the patient without coverage for the same service or item).

The problem in implementing such a system, and there are plenty of experts out there recommending the implementation, is the strong insurance lobby. I believe that could be overcome. Citizen education leading to awareness could easily tip things in our favor. It would take an enormous effort to get that ball rolling, but once started there would be no stopping it.

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How do you feel about our socialised, state run system then? where everything from an operation for ingrowing toenails to treatment for brain cancer is free.
But of course nothing is free in this life, the money comes out of general taxation.
We also pay for anyone who turns up at London Airport, heavily pregnant or with assorted illnesses and diseases, treat them, rarely recouping the cost. The system does not like to do anything as dirty as to handle money, there are of course other issues here but we don't want to go into the realms of politics do we.

There is of course, should you be unhappy with the state run system, the option of private treatment, either insurance funded or paying cash. This is not tax deductable, so in fact you will be paying twice over.Dont-know
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(08-27-2016 09:45 AM)Phill Wrote:  How do you feel about our socialised, state run system then? where everything from an operation for ingrowing toenails to treatment for brain cancer is free.
But of course nothing is free in this life, the money comes out of general taxation.
We also pay for anyone who turns up at London Airport, heavily pregnant or with assorted illnesses and diseases, treat them, rarely recouping the cost. The system does not like to do anything as dirty as to handle money, there are of course other issues here but we don't want to go into the realms of politics do we.

There is of course, should you be unhappy with the state run system, the option of private treatment, either insurance funded or paying cash. This is not tax deductable, so in fact you will be paying twice over.Dont-know

There are no perfect systems, but the single payer universal system currently wins the price performance contest, while the for profit "capitalistic" system provides the best healthcare money can buy - if your name is Bill Gates you can get the best healthcare in the world.

There is probably a better system that is combination of the two, but politicians everywhere seem more interested in personal agendas than public welfare.

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(08-27-2016 09:45 AM)Phill Wrote:  How do you feel about our socialised, state run system then? where everything from an operation for ingrowing toenails to treatment for brain cancer is free.
But of course nothing is free in this life, the money comes out of general taxation.

Meaning you as a tax-payer pay for it by working. Unless they'll pay you to not work, in which case your brother pays with his work. Or your sister.

The problem with this system, in my opinion, is that you don't get the cost-reductions and improved services associated with competition for your business.

Quote:We also pay for anyone who turns up at London Airport, heavily pregnant or with assorted illnesses and diseases, treat them, rarely recouping the cost.

The costs are always recouped. Either through volunteer (or heaven forbid, forced) labor and donations, or by the tax-payers.

Quote:The system does not like to do anything as dirty as to handle money, there are of course other issues here but we don't want to go into the realms of politics do we.

Are the doctors not paid with money? The equipment providers? The other care-givers? The janitors? The maintenance staff? Again, either these people are providing forced labor, are volunteers, or are paid with some sort of barter system. I don't believe for a minute that money is not handled by these people as a result of their contributions.

Perhaps you mean money is not handled by the patients? If that's the case, then it's all done through electronic funds transfers or through paper transfers. Money is in some way transferred to the providers, and every bit of it comes from the governed.

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The combination, dual funding, is probably the best route for us to follow, however for the Conservatives(Republicans) to suggest such a thing would likely be political suicide, for Labour(Democrats) it would be against their socialist left wing dogma, as they are heavily influenced/controlled by the unions.

Nothing will change.
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I'm going to hijack this thread... [Image: threadjacked.gif]

We, the citizens of the US, do not have "money." We have the the Federal Reserve Note. A fiat currency with no intrinsic value. You may possess it; but it's not yours. example: It is illegal to deface or destroy an FRN.

When the country was founded, the government had the power to "coin" money.
Paper money was backed by something of intrinsic value -- gold and silver.

1913 was a year of change for the US. The formation of the Federal Reserve. Not founded by government; but by some of the wealthiest families in the US. Also, in 1913, the income tax began (16th Amendment). Intended to hit only the very high income earners. Today perverted into confiscation of middle class wage earner's labor.

We were on the gold standard until FDR made the private ownership of gold illegal. Socialist -- you bet.

At the end of WWII, again the gold standard was reinstituted because the world needed a stable currency to rebuild after the war.
That was the Bretton Woods Agreement.

On 15 August 1971, the gold standard was again crushed; and our money again became a currency backed by nothing.
When government has the printing presses; and money is backed by nothing, they can inflate the money supply out of thin air.
That's why the US has a 15 Trillion Dollar National Debt.

When one looks at prices in the US, it's not the price that's gone up; it's the value of money that's gone down.
We are the Weimar Republic; and it's 1923.

And, that's the folly of permitting a bunch of loons to run the country. [Image: rant.gif]

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(08-27-2016 10:58 AM)Phill Wrote:  The combination, dual funding, is probably the best route for us to follow, however for the Conservatives(Republicans) to suggest such a thing would likely be political suicide, for Labour(Democrats) it would be against their socialist left wing dogma, as they are heavily influenced/controlled by the unions.

Nothing will change.

Oh it will change, the only thing certain in life (besides death and taxes) is that "it" will change. The issue is that the change is seldom pleasant and almost never in an anticipated or desired direction.

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