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grampypeter Offline

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Machine: Philips REMstar Pro C-Flex+, System One
Mask Type: Nasal mask
Mask Make & Model: Wisp
Humidifier: Philips System One Heated Humidifier
CPAP Pressure: 10
CPAP Software: SleepyHead

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Sex: Male
Location: New Hampshire and Florida

Post: #1
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I have used a Wisk nasal mask for about 2 months. It was comfortable (soft), seemed to work ok (AHI approx 2.5) but I had difficulty breathing. My nose is rather large, the mask was a "large" size, but many times I had difficulty breathing. To a point where I, out of frustration, would just take it off and get a "good nights sleep."

A friend of mine loaned me his spare full face mask (Mirage Quattro). It fits very well, no breathing constriction, comfortable...everything is right about it. Except that after about a weeks usage my AHI is about 7.5. My machine setting is 10. I bumped it up to 12 last night and AHI is 10.5. I know I need more than one night before jumping to conclusion, but before I waste time, thought I'd ask the Oracles. Grampy Peter

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08-23-2013 02:10 PM
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trish6hundred Offline

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Posts: 6,430
Joined: May 2012

Machine: Resmed S9 AutoSet for Her
Mask Type: Full face mask
Mask Make & Model: Fisher & Paykel Simplus
Humidifier: H5i Heated Humidifier
CPAP Pressure: 10 - 7-20 Cm H2O
CPAP Software: Not using software

Other Comments: I started CPAP in 2008. Totally blind since birth.

Sex: Female
Location: Missouri, USA

Post: #2
RE: full facemask
Hi grampypeter,
WELCOME! to the forum.!
Hang in there for answers to your question and best of luck to you.

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08-23-2013 02:52 PM
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old dude Offline

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Posts: 46
Joined: Jul 2013

Machine: PR System One BiPap Auto Bi-Flex 760P
Mask Type: Full face mask
Mask Make & Model: RM Quattro Mirage, Quattro Air, Quattro FX
Humidifier: PR System One HT DS6TFLG
CPAP Pressure: 15/11
CPAP Software: SleepyHead EncoreBasic

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Sex: Male
Location: N. Ga. & FL. Panhandle

Post: #3
RE: full facemask
(08-23-2013 02:10 PM)grampypeter Wrote:  I have used a Wisk nasal mask for about 2 months. It was comfortable (soft), seemed to work ok (AHI approx 2.5) but I had difficulty breathing. My nose is rather large, the mask was a "large" size, but many times I had difficulty breathing. To a point where I, out of frustration, would just take it off and get a "good nights sleep."

A friend of mine loaned me his spare full face mask (Mirage Quattro). It fits very well, no breathing constriction, comfortable...everything is right about it. Except that after about a weeks usage my AHI is about 7.5. My machine setting is 10. I bumped it up to 12 last night and AHI is 10.5. I know I need more than one night before jumping to conclusion, but before I waste time, thought I'd ask the Oracles. Grampy Peter

Philips System One Heated Humidifier

Do you know what your large leak percentage is?

That will shoot my AHI up faster than anything with my Mirage Quattro, although my pressures are quite a bit higher than yours.
08-23-2013 05:04 PM
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remltr Offline

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Joined: Aug 2013

Machine: ResMed S9 Auto
Mask Type: Other
Mask Make & Model: Sleep Weaver
Humidifier: ResMed Hi5
CPAP Pressure: 5 ramp up to 7. 10 max
CPAP Software: SleepyHead

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Sex: Male
Location: Seattle area USA

Post: #4
RE: full facemask
I tried the Mirage Quatro (sp) over the last two nights and never made it past 2 hours either night before ripping it off in my sleep I guess. I so wanted it to work for me as it is more comfortable than the Fisher & Paykel one I started out with. The F&P actually stayed on my head all night I don't think it is the leaks for me so much as heat build up on my face over time.

I am actually going to try the oracle tonight. That will be a whole new experience. I used to scuba dive so the in the mouth thing won't be so bad, although not being able to swallow properly and drooling like an idiot, might not be so great. Not to mention nose inserts to seal nasal leaks.

I am still new to this and still frustrated. What I wouldn't give for a full eight hours of sleep. When the CPAP is working for me I am more rested, but just not sleeping all the way through the night. And I know it is those apnea events waking me up. If I could get them down to zero I might just get 8 hours. Maybe I need to crank up the pressure to 50 or something. No apnea would survive that hurricane.
08-23-2013 05:38 PM
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RonWessels Offline

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Posts: 465
Joined: Jun 2013

Machine: REMstar Auto AFlex DS560TS
Mask Type: Nasal mask
Mask Make & Model: ComfortGel Blue
Humidifier: REMstar Heated Tube DS6T
CPAP Pressure: 11 - 20
CPAP Software: SleepyHead

Other Comments: CMS50F Pulse Oximeter

Sex: Male
Location: Ontario, Canada

Post: #5
RE: full facemask
One of the first masks I wanted to try was the Wisp. I wear glasses, and the Wisp would allow me to be wearing the mask while putting my glasses on and taking them off. Sadly, even the largest size seemed too small for me. It felt like the one edge of the mask was right at my nostrils and one good inhale was going to seal the mask to my nostrils.

Rather than abandoning nasal masks and going for a full face mask, have you tried other nasal masks?

I guess it depends on the reason you had difficulty breathing. If it was because your mask was too small, a "traditional" nasal mask might serve you better. If it was because your nose (sinuses) got plugged up and you would need to breathe through your mouth, then yes, a full face mask would be appropriate.
08-26-2013 04:13 PM
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jgjones1972 Offline

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Posts: 516
Joined: Nov 2012

Machine: ResMed S9 AutoSet
Mask Type: Full face mask
Mask Make & Model: ResMed Quattro FX
Humidifier: ResMed H5i
CPAP Pressure: 18 - 20
CPAP Software: ResScan SleepyHead

Other Comments: CMS50I PulseOx

Sex: Male
Location: Ohio - USA

Post: #6
RE: full facemask
Can you check the break-down of the AHI at both pressures (from prior readings). I suspect the increased AHI with the pressure increase could be due to increased Central Apneas that will probably fade with time. That could possibly also be the case with the change in masks (due to change in intentional leak rates).

In any case; if it were me, I would stick with the most comfortable and best fitting mask available.

As long as it isn't leaking like a sieve, AHI can be adjusted for a lot easier than a mask that just doesn't fit facial features right...in my opinion.

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08-26-2013 08:34 PM
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eviltim Offline

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Joined: Aug 2013

Machine: Resmed S9 VPAP
Mask Type: Full face mask
Mask Make & Model: Resmed AirFit F10
Humidifier: H5i heated humidifer
CPAP Pressure: 5 exhale/9 inhale
CPAP Software: SleepyHead

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Post: #7
RE: full facemask
I'm surprised to hear this, because I had also had issues with the nasal mask (was breathing through my mouth), switched to the FFM and had much, much lower leaks and AHI. Although part of that is just the new CPAP user central apneas going away, as I understand it.

How's your leaks look? That would be my first guess and make sure to get those under control before messing with the pressure.
08-26-2013 08:39 PM
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alby_c Offline

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Joined: Aug 2013

Machine: resmed s9 autoset
Mask Type: Nasal pillows
Mask Make & Model: Resmed Airfit P10
Humidifier: Resmed
CPAP Pressure: 6 - 12
CPAP Software: ResScan SleepyHead

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Sex: Male
Location: Brisbane, Australia

Post: #8
RE: full facemask
If you can use a nasal mask then think about nasal pillows - I find them better than a nasal mask except when I have a cold and the nostrils are sore
Resmed make extra large for the Swift FX though you have to ring up the supplier directly to get it with them. It usually just gets shipped with the standard 3 sizes - S, M, and L in the bag.
and though your nose may be large - are your nostrils?, as that is what these sizes refer to.

I love the lower profile and it feels far less constrictive and easy to breath through with the right size -I use medium - with small I cannot breathe and it is terrible, with large I leak everywhere but in the words of Goldilocks - medium is just right (for me). They were fussy to get adjusted right but the Resmed youtube on it helped a lot. Oh, and the machine must be on with them when testing them as it flares the cones out - with the machine off the cones just collapse and block the nostrils and you cannot even imagine how the "silly things" could work.
09-08-2013 07:37 PM
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PsychoMike Offline

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Joined: Aug 2013

Machine: ResMed S9 AutoSet
Mask Type: Other
Mask Make & Model: Varies with mood, ResMed F10 is my primary
Humidifier: ResMed H5i
CPAP Pressure: 12-17
CPAP Software: SleepyHead

Other Comments: asthma, cyclist upgraditis, just a little crazy (honest :D )

Sex: Male
Location: Alberta, Canada

Post: #9
RE: full facemask
I'm actually the opposite of alby_c. I started on a Swift FX nasal pillows set up but found my movements / sleeping positions tended to move the pillows and cause leaks. Pillows can be a great mask, if they work for you...I ended up going to a Mirage FX nasal mask and it seems to stay put better for me....of course, YMMV.
09-09-2013 11:21 AM
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