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RE: healthy vs not sick and symptom suppression
(05-03-2015 06:10 PM)DocWils Wrote:  Actually, ... lots of stuff.....

I love your work Doc.... Excellent

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05-04-2015 04:23 AM
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I wonder about the nightly statistics... An AHI of say 4 over 8 hours is 32 events. but if those 32 events happen in a 2 hour period, it can't be good.
05-04-2015 04:30 AM
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Post: #43
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(05-04-2015 04:30 AM)player Wrote:  I wonder about the nightly statistics... An AHI of say 4 over 8 hours is 32 events. but if those 32 events happen in a 2 hour period, it can't be good.

No, not for that two hour period, but if they did, that would have meant 6 hours of good sleep otherwise.

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05-04-2015 07:41 AM
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(05-04-2015 04:30 AM)player Wrote:  I wonder about the nightly statistics... An AHI of say 4 over 8 hours is 32 events. but if those 32 events happen in a 2 hour period, it can't be good.

That is why you have a look at the them in Sleepyhead or another data reader. To see the distribution of events and understand the pattern, if there is one. There isn't always one, but sometimes....

For instance, I noticed every night I had a series what the machine interpreted as CAs relatively early in the night, within the first hour of going to bed. I reasoned that if this was consistent reading night to night, there is something to explore, and perhaps the machine was reading something that is not exactly there. When I fall asleep, my habit of skip breathing comes to the for, from my diving years. With the onset of throat laxity as I begin my sleep cycle, my body attempts to compensate by skip breathing, an automatic workaround, so to speak. The machines sees these as CA event, and the tight cluster of them was giving higher AHI nightlies. So what to do? Up the minimum pressure and as the French say, "Viola!" Problem solved - the higher starting pressure was enough to keep the airway open and not trigger my skip breathing habit. No more cluster of CAs.

In the same light, if you see that your events are spaced throughout the night, no real problem - suppose however they cluster and do so consistently - the AHI if they cluster and if the are spaced over the night are similar if not the same, so just looking at the readout for the AHI on the machine is not indicative, but if there is a nightly pattern, which you see on the graph in your computer, then you can maybe diagnose a trouble spot and fix it by fine tuning your pressure or other things.
05-04-2015 07:53 AM
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Is upping the pressure pretty much all you can do?
05-04-2015 10:32 AM
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This is the definition I was using ...

Quote:In logic and philosophy, an argument is a series of statements typically used to persuade someone of something or to present reasons for accepting a conclusion.

You?

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I don't have an opinion but you can't pass up opportunities to quote the princess bride Smile
05-04-2015 12:48 PM
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(05-04-2015 11:40 AM)Sleepster Wrote:  This is the definition I was using ...

Quote:In logic and philosophy, an argument is a series of statements typically used to persuade someone of something or to present reasons for accepting a conclusion.

You?

Most words have several meanings, and the word "argument" is definitely not an exception. Much confusion can ensue when two parties use the same word in different senses. When one side does this purposely we have a dishonest means of argumentation called "equivocation".

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Many people seem to view the word argument as meaning a heated disagreement. I think of it normally according to the definition that Sleepster brought forth although I use it occasionally to mean a heated disagreement. The intent of this word is in the context. Sometimes it is helpful for the writer to add some minor clarification.
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(05-04-2015 11:40 AM)Sleepster Wrote:  This is the definition I was using ...

Quote:In logic and philosophy, an argument is a series of statements typically used to persuade someone of something or to present reasons for accepting a conclusion.

You?

Coming from German and French, I take the English word to be more heated, as we have more subtle distinctions and words for the various grades of "discussion" - hence the word argument means to me (from English) to be more vehement. Of course, the French word means the synopsis or conceit in a theatrical programme, amongst other things.

Also, in medicine, we tend to use argument in a more heated meaning, while debate and discussion more often refer to exchanges relating to a scientific disagreement (although I do well remember a fist fight ensuing between two physicists over string theory a while back. Probably why I stopped hanging around CERN....).
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