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sleep debt
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There has been a lot of discussion about whether sleep debt is real or not. In the book _The

Head Trip_ by Jeff Warren he talks about a research study by Thomas Wehr who found there is such a phenomena and it takes about three or four weeks to pay back. You cannot pay it all back over a few nights of binge sleeping. In fact he found "most of us carry around a huge, and potentially compromising sleep-debt without realizing". Most of his subjects stabilized in a pattern of sleeping eight hours a night after the debt was paid off (he studied 15 healthy volunteers). I usually sleep about 9 hours which is better than the 10+ hours I was sleeping before getting in tine with the ASV. It took his volunteers three to four weeks to pay it back.



The book is _The Head Trip_ Adventures on the Wheel of Consciousness. by Jeff Warren.

I am on page 68 of a 300+ book and so far it's all been about sleep and dreaming. Very interesting book.
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#2
Some believe the "sleep debt" thing to be a faulty hypothesis. Some feel it truly exists. I'm in the camp of "it's there for some people but not everyone".

I'll look that book up. Thanks for pointing it out.
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From a strictly medical point of view, it is utter bollocks and has no grounding in any credible research.
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Thanks for the book suggestion, Skyler. I've placed a hold at my local library. (Georgia's public library system is awesome. They didn't have it at the local library, but I could get it through inter-library loan.)

I wonder sometimes if what some people call sleep debt is really about adrenal fatigue and/or perhaps the body's ability to recuperate over a number of weeks/months after finally getting some decent deep (recuperative) sleep.
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I still say it depends on your definition of sleep debt. I'm not sure what definition you're using when you say it doesn't exist, and you don't seem to want to tell us.

There is no doubt that if you skip a night's sleep, or get a poor night's sleep because your alarm woke you 5 hours after you went to sleep, you'll spend more time sleeping the next night, or you'll spend more time in REM sleep the next night. This effect increases if the number of nights of missed or poor sleep is more than just one.

My alarm woke me at 5:30 am today. It'll do that again tomorrow. As a result I'll be going to bed tomorrow night earlier than usual because I'll be especially tired.

To me, I've incurred a debt and I'm paying it back.

This is all based on sound scientific research, too.
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All research shows that no matter how sleep deprived you are or have been and for no matter who long, a single good night's sleep makes up for it, hence, sleep debt is a myth, under any definition.
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(07-30-2013, 03:20 AM)DocWils Wrote: All research shows that no matter how sleep deprived you are or have been and for no matter who long, a single good night's sleep makes up for it, hence, sleep debt is a myth, under any definition.
Then there is something else going on. Perhaps it's not sleep debt, but it takes many people who are just starting CPAP weeks or months before they begin feeling benefit. What would you say are the reasons for this phenomenon?
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One thing I've learned about research and things we 'know' to be true...

They can change.
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(07-30-2013, 11:39 AM)Paptillian Wrote: One thing I've learned about research and things we 'know' to be true...

They can change.

Yep. Coffee is bad for you, then coffee is good for you. Salt is good for you, then salt is bad for you. Then Chocolate is bad, then back to good. Sunshine bad, then good. I know anything in excess can be bad, even water. But I tend to not take much stock in the "new scientific study of the day" for making my decisions, especially as I get older.

The problem with many so-called "scientfic studies" is that they are not scientific at all, and have many biases built into their data. And they usually don't publish all the specific details of their research - at least not enough to give the average person an idea of whether they've used true unbiased research techniques.

As for me, I will drink coffee until I die - regardless of how many eggheads tell me I'm killing myself. Bigwink Coffee

As for sleep debt - I don't believe in getting in too much debt - it's bad. Pay cash upfront instead. GrinEat-popcorn

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(07-30-2013, 01:21 PM)SuperSleeper Wrote: ... Coffee is bad for you, then coffee is good for you. Salt is good for you, then salt is bad for you. Then Chocolate is bad, then back to good. Sunshine bad, then good. ...
Wasn't there a point when trans fat margarine was supposed to be good for you, as opposed to polyunsaturated? Maybe it was the other way around, or it depended on the year, or the phase of the moon... :grin:
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