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RE: SoClean What are the facts? - Melman - 04-04-2020
Although it is well known that ozone will kill microorganisms there are no good studies that SoClean is effective at sanitizing CPAP equipment. I have reviewed a lab study that SoClean had a private lab perform. Although it showed killing of bacteria it was conducted under artificial lab conditions. It is probably effective but better data is needed. The FDA has concerns. Anyone considering purchasing a SoClean should read the following statement from the FDA
The full article: https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-an...one-gas-or
FDA News Release
FDA Reminds Patients that Devices Claiming to Clean, Disinfect or Sanitize CPAP Machines Using Ozone Gas or UV Light Have Not Been FDA Authorized
For Immediate Release:
February 27, 2020
Today, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration is issuing a Safety Communication to inform patients and health care providers that devices claiming to clean, disinfect or sanitize continuous positive airway pressure (CPAP) devices or accessories (such as masks, tubing, headgear) using ozone gas or ultraviolet (UV) light are not legally marketed for this use by the FDA in the U.S., and as such, their safety and effectiveness for use with CPAP devices and accessories is unknown. CPAP devices are often prescribed for home use to patients with obstructive sleep apnea, a condition where an individual’s airway becomes blocked during sleep causing breathing to intermittently stop and start. CPAP devices use air pressure to keep airways open during sleep.
To ensure the safe and effective cleaning of CPAP devices and accessories, the FDA is recommending that consumers and health care providers follow the cleaning instructions provided by the CPAP’s manufacturer, which normally include regular cleaning with soap and water.
“The FDA has identified several manufacturers that are marketing ozone gas or UV light-based products claiming to clean, disinfect or sanitize CPAP devices and accessories in the home,” said William H. Maisel, M.D., M.P.H, director of the Office of Product Evaluation and Quality in the FDA’s Center for Devices and Radiological Health. “Exposure to high levels of ozone gas may worsen a patients’ existing chronic respiratory diseases or increase the chance of a respiratory infection. UV light-based products could cause burns, eye damage or increase the risk of skin cancer due to over exposure. The FDA has contacted manufacturers of products making these claims and asked them to submit data demonstrating their safety and effectiveness.”
The FDA has received 11 reports from 2017-2019 from patients experiencing cough, difficult breathing, nasal irritation, headaches, asthma attacks and other breathing complaints when ozone gas-based products were used to clean, sanitize or disinfect CPAP devices and accessories. The FDA has not received any adverse event reports for UV light products claiming to clean, disinfect or sanitize CPAP devices and accessories.
Ozone is a gas that can be used to kill harmful bacteria. However, for ozone to be effective in killing harmful bacteria, it must be present at a concentration far greater than what is considered safe for humans. Although products claiming to clean, disinfect or sanitize CPAP devices that use ozone gas claim that they are designed to keep ozone gas inside the machine and its accessories, leaks can occur at tubing connections, filters or through containers used to house CPAP accessories. When leaks occur, ozone gas in the room where the devices are used may temporarily rise to unsafe levels especially if the room is small or not well ventilated.
Additionally, if the CPAP machine or accessories are used without first allowing fresh air to circulate through the entire CPAP system to remove any remaining ozone gas, this could lead to someone inhaling ozone gas, which could cause breathing problems.
Direct exposure to UV light may cause injury depending on its wavelength, intensity and exposure time. Additionally, the UV light may not be able to penetrate all components of CPAP devices and accessories, like the plastic tubing, masks and connectors, which could lead to inadequately disinfected components that may be unsafe for people to reuse.
While these devices claiming to clean, sanitize or disinfect CPAP machines and accessories have not been FDA cleared or approved for marketing in the U.S., the FDA conducted its own preliminary lab testing on several of those illegally marketed products. The testing demonstrated ozone-using disinfection devices generated ambient levels of ozone above limits considered safe for human exposure. Ozone levels were also high in CPAP machines and tubing even after waiting the amount of time recommended by the ozone-based device manufacturer after a cleaning cycle. The FDA’s studies also showed the power of the UV light and time during which CPAP masks and accessories were exposed to this light varied considerably among UV cleaners. If CPAP components are exposed to insufficiently strong UV light or processed for an insufficient amount of time, the CPAP components could be inadequately disinfected leading to safety and performance issues.
The FDA has contacted manufacturers of the ozone gas and UV light products that claim to clean, sanitize or disinfect CPAP devices and accessories. Each manufacturer was informed that based on their product’s intended use and technological characteristics, FDA review and clearance or approval is needed and that data would need to be provided to demonstrate safety and effectiveness.
The FDA will continue to monitor reports of adverse events associated with the use of ozone gas or UV-based CPAP devices that claim to clean, sanitize or disinfect CPAP devices and accessories and update the public should new information become available.
The FDA encourages individuals to report adverse events related to the use these devices to the FDA.
The FDA, an agency within the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, protects the public health by assuring the safety, effectiveness, and security of human and veterinary drugs, vaccines and other biological products for human use, and medical devices. The agency also is responsible for the safety and security of our nation’s food supply, cosmetics, dietary supplements, products that give off electronic radiation, and for regulating tobacco products.
RE: SoClean What are the facts? - Gideon - 04-04-2020
I'll defer
RE: SoClean What are the facts? - hegel - 04-04-2020
I was an early user of So Clean. My machine lasted something like 12 years I'm guessing, problem free. I really liked it! It never degraded my masks or cpap machines as far as I can tell. Sadly, mine finally bit the dust two months ago. I'm too cheap to get a new one--yet. I'd prefer the UV device but it's still in the early phases of problem solving. I use a UV pen to disinfect all my drinking water when I'm back-packing. I'm also a member of a backpacking forum. Thousands of hikers have used these devices for 15 years or more. that represents millions of gallons of water. They do indeed work.
The studies 'debunking' So Clean and UV systems seem to be at least as suspect as the studies in their favor.
There's always a lot of animus on this topic. At this point, So Clean has been used by tens of thousands for millions of cpap hours. People telll me Statins are poison and vaccines too. Proceed with caution!
RE: SoClean What are the facts? - Zorki1c - 04-04-2020
SoClean won’t (and probably doesn’t) do anything the soap and water won’t do. I’m guessing a lot of the positive posts are from poster somehow connected to the company.
RE: SoClean What are the facts? - Lost Clusters - 04-04-2020
(04-04-2020, 07:32 PM)Zorki1c Wrote: SoClean won’t (and probably doesn’t) do anything the soap and water won’t do. I’m guessing a lot of the positive posts are from poster somehow connected to the company.
Wow, is there any good advise there? My vote is no.
I am not connected with soclean in ANY way. Just your average joe.
Thanks for the replies so far, mostly.
RE: SoClean What are the facts? - Big Guy - 04-04-2020
Early on into my SA Therapy, I was thinking about purchasing a So-Clean.
Glad that I asked this forum about it. They set me straight right off. It's now been 18 months or so since having been diagnosed with SA. All I use is Dawn dish soap and some hot water. Oh yeah, and some elbow grease.
RE: SoClean What are the facts? - hegel - 04-04-2020
Oh come on I have nothing to do with So Clean. Geeze, gimme a break. We have to converse in good faith here.
I agree that soap and water will do a fine job cleansing masks and hoses. That's what I'm using now. I thought I made that clear in my earlier post when I said I was too cheap to buy a new So Clean machine.
RE: SoClean What are the facts? - Lost Clusters - 04-04-2020
(04-04-2020, 07:32 PM)Zorki1c Wrote: I’m guessing a lot of the positive posts are from poster somehow connected to the company.
I thought this was directed at me. Apologies. You do come off as a little, ... well guff.
RE: SoClean What are the facts? - Lost Clusters - 04-04-2020
(04-04-2020, 08:52 PM)hegel Wrote: I thought I made that clear in my earlier post when I said I was too cheap to buy a new So Clean machine.
I saw no such post. I would appreciate it you keep your comments focused close to what I am asking. That is what makes searching these threads difficult.
Again, apologies if I posted something upset you.
RE: SoClean What are the facts? - Gideon - 04-04-2020
I am NOT a SoClean fan, I typically recommend not using it.
In a Coronavirus infected house, I can see using a SoClean in addition to a good daily cleaning routine. There are many that are somewhat 'lax' in their CPAP cleaning.
I would suggest a solid daily cleaning ending with a SoClean 'soak'. Anything that can knock down the virus in an infected environment is good. Be sure to make sure all OZONE is purged from the system in the absence of the patient since ozone has the potential of causing significant lung damage, this is the last thing to introduce to a Coronsvirus patient with the severe impact COVID-19 has on the lungs and breathing.