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Can someone tell me if they saw "this" before or know what is this? - sleepyzzz - 03-26-2020 Hi all, this is not my first post here, i posted many times and you were all helpful, but i am returning here because after all the questions, trials, doctors, and 2 years time passed, i can't and nobody else is able to figure what exactly is waking me up! if you want the shortcut and to be able to exactly "see" what is happening, here is a video of my homemade sleep endoscopy , it shows what an "arousal" happening at the end of the video, that is what happens though the night , every night and wakes me from sleep. it happens always while i am drifting to sleep, starting to dream, and through the night, each 2 hrs first, then at the end of the night, each 10 mns almost. i am always dreaming when it happens and i wake up! P.S: wore an oximeter to check my oxygen saturation before these jerks happen and was above 95%. here is the video link : https://youtu.be/2qXF8oxJfVs if you want to read what i did in those 2 years, here it is by chronological order: I always slept deep for at least 8 hrs straight without any problems, not smoker/drinker no drugs or meds, just morning coffee.
Medication i tried: I tried: Klonopin, amitriptyline, Magnesium glycinate, ALA, Ambien, CBD oil, electrolyte, Melatonin. Nothing did stop the jerks. Amitriptyline kept me sedated to sleep longer hours when I keep waking up which helped the zombiness. I always thought that the jolt I get was because my body was felling a partial obstruction and wakes me up before a full obstruction, but after all these surgeries plus CPAP machines I am now thinking maybe i was waking up because of the nervous jerks not breathing problems( although I might also have had them in parallel) !! i wore an oximeter to check if there is a drop in oxygen before that throat jerk happens but my oxygen level was not less than 95%. I am now thinking that the sleep study threw me ( and doctors) off the real reason by focusing on upper airway respiratory problems instead. I always had suspicions about hypnic jerks( before recent videos) and I went to many neurologists asking if there was a way to test those jerks while I am sleeping or in a sleep study and the answer was NO there were not. Question: What is happening? what is that jerk in my throat? what can i test/try ? doctor to see? thanks CPAP use is making it worse! - sleepyzzz - 04-09-2020 i tried my Aircurve 10 VAUTO today, 2 months after the surgery, and it makes my "jerk" happen more. I think the jerk is even the arytenoids or the last spasm as in this video: https://youtu.be/2qXF8oxJfVs I am attaching also a sleepyhead screenshot to show you the jerk in the graph as soon as i drifted to sleep which woke me up and i stopped the machine , the arytenoids spasm or my whole throat spasm, and there is an involontary quick inhale as in 2nd graph attached. if you want to read what i am talking about and maybe give an opinion, please refer to my ( still with no comments yet i posted last week ) : http://www.apneaboard.com/forums/Thread-Can-someone-tell-me-if-they-saw-this-before-or-know-what-is-this Why is the machine increasing my jerks? without it i seem to be able to sleep little for few hours before the jerks start happenig with a vengence ( or the apnea i am not sure which now..) Advice is appreciated thanks RE: Can someone tell me if they saw "this" before or know what is this? - DeepBreathing - 04-09-2020 Hi Sleepyzzzz. I have put your two threads together so that all the information is in one place. I'm sorry I personally have no idea how to address this problem, which is not something I've seen before. Hopefully some other members will be able to assist. RE: Can someone tell me if they saw "this" before or know what is this? - sleepyzzz - 04-10-2020 Thanks RE: Can someone tell me if they saw "this" before or know what is this? - ardenum - 04-10-2020 Hi I also have laryngospasms at night when falling asleep, to combat the situation I have setup my Bipap as follows: Easy breathe : off Trigger : Very high Cycle : high rise time 500ms ps : atleast 5 mask type : pediatric (this makes it even more sensitive) Unfortunately theres no specific medication for this. A complete solution would be a tracheotomy. I do take Magnesium orotate 1200mg daily on top of Cetirizine 10mg at night, Dunno if that helps much though. Also I noticed that my body's reaction to a laryngospasm is very severe and if it happens i top it off with 2mg of propranolol to calm my racing heart after. RE: CPAP use is making it worse! - mper6794 - 04-10-2020 (04-09-2020, 09:56 PM)sleepyzzz Wrote: i tried my Aircurve 10 VAUTO today, 2 months after the surgery, and it makes my "jerk" happen more.Hi, Sleepyzzz _ first ideas: this detail looks a deep suddeenly flow-limited inspiration..... should more details would be available to the right (including other similar events), I would suspect you have aroused/awoke just after this. Such deep inspirations very often are followed by long exalation/groaning (look for this in your charts). _ my first suspicions/hypothesis on diagnosis: this would be catathrenias (plenty of literature available; tough thing!1; some says catathrenias would have been satisfactorily tamed by CPAP relatively high pressures; however there are arguing against) or PLMS mimic RDB ( see this: https://academic.oup.com/sleep/article/40/3/zsw063/2731733; shoul be this/PLMS only medication coulld take care; Dopamine boosted? calcium channels-ligant like Pregabaline, etc) _ would you please post some more details on chart with the attached waveforms?...so that I could eventually have more informartion/insights on your case? _ your VAUTO parameters came from where? have you been on a systematic titrations as per RESMEd protocol? all the best RE: Can someone tell me if they saw "this" before or know what is this? - mper6794 - 04-10-2020 (04-10-2020, 06:32 AM)crowtor Wrote: Hi _ sorry crowtor: we post at same time. Looks interesting this possibility of laryngopasm..... I am going to study further! Plan to go for some literature on this... have you any to suggest? thanks RE: Can someone tell me if they saw "this" before or know what is this? - Crimson Nape - 04-10-2020 Oddly enough, I had the same flow pattern last night. I believe it to be a "sniff" reflex while you are inhaling. I am experiencing some reaction to the pollen this year and find myself sniffing more than normal. RE: Can someone tell me if they saw "this" before or know what is this? - sleepyzzz - 04-10-2020 hi, thanks for the reply, i posted many charts in my previous posts if you would like to look into them it is not catathrenia, as i don't wake up from groaning, if you want to "see" what is happening check the youtube video of my sleep endoscopy showing the spasms. what i know is that, it happens only when i am drifting to sleep, or when i am dreaming. also from the video and the graph, there is no "apnea" before it, i don't know if it "senses" an apnea and hence jerks and wake me up or if it is neurological. how would i know if it is respiratory or neurological ? also the machine aggravates it, why? is it the pressure on the arytenoids? i don't really understand. RE: Can someone tell me if they saw "this" before or know what is this? - sleepyzzz - 04-10-2020 (04-10-2020, 06:32 AM)crowtor Wrote: Hi thanks for this, i might try it. although i'm not even sure if my problem is apnea or something else. i know that the machine makes it worse and that the nights i was wearing the mask, my AHI was less then 1, but the jerks kept happenign and i kept waking up. did you try sleepiong without cpap ? do you sleep worse without? |