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COVID-19 - srlevine1 - 03-30-2020 There is little doubt in my mind that the politicians and news media are sensationalizing the current pandemic to gain political power, and in the case of the media, attract a large audience which translates into increased revenue. So I was surprised to see a letter published in the New England Journal of Medicine by Dr. Anthony Fauci, President Trump's medical sidekick that suggests that the current situation, while serious -- especially for the elderly and those with underlying medical conditions -- may not be as grave as being hyped 24/7. Quote:Covid-19 — Navigating the Uncharted (March 26, 2020)You may also be interested in Aerosol and Surface Stability of SARS-CoV-2 as Compared with SARS-CoV-1. Be well. RE: COVID-19 - 70sSanO - 03-31-2020 What will be interesting to find out is if 2 weeks from now things start to turn a bit. I think until mid-March, and later in some areas, people still congregated fairly regularly. If older people, and those who are vulnerable, have refrained from interacting with others, there will hopefully be a drop in deaths. Nursing homes will always be an issue. What I would like to know, but there doesn’t seem to be any data, are the number people who were infected from shopping carts, pizza boxes, delivered items, etc. There seems to be a lot of theoretical surmising about how long the virus survives on surfaces, but little in the way of tangible data that a self isolated person contracted the disease that way. John RE: COVID-19 - slowriter - 03-31-2020 The "not as grave" conclusion is not the one I reach. The consistent message from public health professionals has been that COVID-19 is much more infectious than, but with significantly lower mortality rates than MERS or SARS, and higher than the seasonal flu. The lower mortality rate doesn't mean it's not a serious crisis; it actually means it's MUCH more dangerous, precisely because it's so infectious, and infection can happen when asymptomatic. Just in terms of math, a quick search says there were 8000 cases of SARS in the 2003 outbreak. 10% of 8000 is 800, which is about the reported number of deaths in that outbreak. We're well past that in the US already just in the US with COVID-19. If you play out the modeling over the next few months, let's be conservative and say mortality rate with COVID-19 is 1%. That's a LOT of people dead, and many more with likely permanent lung damage. RE: COVID-19 - foxfire - 03-31-2020 There is a real disconnect between the case fatality rate stated in that editorial and the more recent data that is being reported. http://www.apneaboard.com/forums/Thread-COVID-19-Coronavirus-REAL-death-rates RE: COVID-19 - 70sSanO - 03-31-2020 Here is a reality of probably what is happening. Our daughter-in-law started feeling ill a couple weeks ago. She left work and went to get checked. She was told that she had a virus, not the flu, and was sent home. Over the next 10 days she had a low fever, aches, and at times shortness of breath. She feels fine now. Did she have Covid-19? Maybe? Probably? Neither her, nor I, nor any health professional knows. Did she build up an immunity that would allow her to not self isolate and return to her workplace? Who knows? No one has figured that out. Could there be hundreds of thousands (millions?) out there in the same position? Probably. We as a country (and world) have no clue who might now be immure and can support those who must remain separated, or if there is no immunity in anyone. Or if immunity even prevents spreading the virus. If we want to get past this we need to figure out who can’t contract or spread the virus. John RE: COVID-19 - SuperSleeper - 03-31-2020 Fauci has a vested interest in not panicking the sheep. Remember, he's the one who said back in February that COVID-19 was "no worse than the common flu", and then did a complete 180 and said this past month that it's "10 times worse than the flu". Now apparently he's back closer to his original statement. I suggest, as has already been said by others, that we look act the actual numbers and not be guided by someone so fickle as Fauci. Fauci has proven to be unreliable as far as many of his statements are concerned. And I'm not against those medical experts on Trump's team, either. I'm actually in support of much of what's being done. But the reality of all this does not match what Fauci is saying: Shutting the entire country down for several weeks and Fauci's latest statement that "This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza" DO NOT MATCH UP. Watch what they DO, instead of listening to what they SAY. Their actions reveal the true nature of this virus, and the fact that we're looking at a death rate of anywhere between 30-45% of reported cases of COVID-19. Read my post here on that: http://www.apneaboard.com/forums/Thread-COVID-19-Coronavirus-REAL-death-rates RE: COVID-19 - Big Guy - 03-31-2020 Social distancing. It's now looking as if keeping 6' away from others isn't enough. MIT researchers are saying that respiratory discharge droplets can reach as far as 27'. And, there's no conclusive evidence that wearing a face mask does any good, other than making you feel safer. The best advice is still to keep your hands clean and off your face. RE: COVID-19 - SuperSleeper - 03-31-2020 (03-31-2020, 12:46 PM)Big Guy Wrote: And, there's no conclusive evidence that wearing a face mask does any good, other than making you feel safer. A "surgical mask" yes, I would agree they're not all the good at filtering viruses. But an N95 mask can actually filter out much of the virus. But any degree of PPE is preferable to no PPE whatsoever. Remember, we're talking about reducing your "viral load", not necessarily filtering out 100% of the virus. If all I had was a bandana or cotton cloth, I'd use that rather than simply relying upon the "wash your hands and keep your hand away from your face" advice. I contend that it's near impossible to be perfect in every way and NEVER touch your fact. It's a natural human thing to do that we do without even thinking about it. You're going to make a mistake sooner or later, and unless you video yourself continuously, you're probably not even going to remember or realize that you just touched your face. When you're out and about shopping, wearing a mask of any type is going to bring better results than simply relying on hand-washing and admonitions to "don't touch your face". RE: COVID-19 - 70sSanO - 03-31-2020 Well in my view, if I sneeze my droplets won’t go 6’ much less 27’ if I’m wearing a face mask. That is really the reason to wear one, but since that will never happen, people are using them as protection and hoping for the best. Patching a leak from the inside will hold so much better than putting a band-aid on the outside. John RE: COVID-19 - OpalRose - 03-31-2020 How does anyone believe anything that is spouted out by the US government as fact? Don't wear a mask! Wear a mask! Six feet of distance was always a joke. As long as I can remember, medical "experts" have said if you cough or sneeze, particles can travel over 20 feet. After yesterday's horrendous display of the politization of this epidemic by Trump, his team Doctors and some business owners (that I was sure at any moment might get on their knees and kiss his feet), I will no longer watch the so called "Coronavirus Task Force Briefing". There is no doubt that Dr. Fauci and others on that team have been brainwashed by Trumpism. They are afraid to say what they know is true and please Trump at the same time. Their loyalties are not with us sheep! |