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SOCLEAN VS. PHILIPS - WakeUpTime - 10-12-2021
(10-12-2021, 02:43 PM)btreger Wrote: - SoClean alleges, Philips has misled the public, deliberately placing blame on SoClean for recall.
In some ways, SoClean does have a case against Philips for specifically using SoClean's name on the registration site, in interviews and on press releases. Philips made a mistake there. They should have generically stated "ozone cleaning of the internal ventilator system" (or something similar).
It was inevitable that SoClean would respond. They'd have to, as they're entire company is on the line. I wonder if Philips could have a counter-suit, stating SoClean stated it was "safe" to use and continually aggressively promoted its usage.
But then again, Philips designed a faulty product with carcinogenic foam that degrades over time. The only thing SoClean did was speed that up. SoClean needs to do everything to show that non-SoClean users also experience foam degradation. They could do that through extended lab testing. They could do that by first hand user reports. They could do that by bringing in a group of non-SoClean Philips user systems to study.
If I were a judge, I'd have give the edge to SoClean for the following reason:
SoClean only hastened the breakdown of Philips' already-bad (chemicals and composition) foam.
Users that didn't use SoClean also experienced foam breakdown.
No doubt, Philips hates SoClean. Philips' faulty foam might never have become an issue since most users upgrade their systems every 5-10 years. SoClean put the spotlight on Philips' faulty foam issues. SoClean may end up costing Philips $1 Billion. Philips may end up destroying the SoClean company.
SoClean should get onboard with the other lawsuits and support the notion that Philips created a faulty product for decades, later discovering the issue, did insufficient laboratory testing, ignoring user complaints, delayed fixing the existing products (but put out an entirely new product), delayed informing the public, etc. etc.
RE: RECALL THREAD-- IMPORTANT PHILIPS DREAMSTATION & SYSTEM ONE USERS - hegel - 10-12-2021
Judging before the data is in and cases are presented is probably a bad idea.
RE: SOCLEAN VS. PHILIPS - ST Dog - 10-13-2021
(10-12-2021, 06:40 PM)WakeUpTime Wrote:SoClean only hastened the breakdown of Philips' already-bad (chemicals and composition) foam.Users that didn't use SoClean also experienced foam breakdown.
Doesn't negate the fact that ozone in the machine is bad.
Have you seen the SoClean3? No more connection to machine, no ozone in the pump. They even added an ozone filter/converter on the outlet of the machine.
Seems they knew there were problems with running ozone through the machines.
RE: RECALL THREAD-- IMPORTANT PHILIPS DREAMSTATION & SYSTEM ONE USERS - Homerec130 - 10-13-2021
So, I'll just get out my popcorn and watch.
RE: RECALL THREAD-- IMPORTANT PHILIPS DREAMSTATION & SYSTEM ONE USERS - hegel - 10-13-2021
(10-13-2021, 10:56 AM)Homerec130 Wrote: So, I'll just get out my popcorn and watch.
Yep.
RE: RECALL THREAD-- IMPORTANT PHILIPS DREAMSTATION & SYSTEM ONE USERS - btreger - 10-13-2021
The Secret Philips Foamgate Video - Downfall!
Warning: This is satire, and contains a number of four-letter words. It may not be suitable for everyone.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ax9f-zwLEEA
RE: RECALL THREAD-- IMPORTANT PHILIPS DREAMSTATION & SYSTEM ONE USERS - ST Dog - 10-13-2021
(10-13-2021, 04:36 PM)btreger Wrote: Warning: This is satire, and contains a number of four-letter words. It may not be suitable for everyone.
four letter words?
work, lead, read, note, nope, stop, foam?
What is wrong with that? (oops, another three)
PHILIPS RECALL PARODY - WakeUpTime - 10-13-2021
(10-13-2021, 04:36 PM)btreger Wrote: The Secret Philips Foamgate Video - Downfall!
Warning: This is satire...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ax9f-zwLEEA
RE: RECALL THREAD-- IMPORTANT PHILIPS DREAMSTATION & SYSTEM ONE USERS - remseeker - 10-14-2021
Not sure if anyone has already mentioned the Resmed document dated January 8, 2020 which includes the statement -
"Warranty update: Effective for sales of ResMed machines on or after February 1, 2020, ResMed’s limited warranty will exclude damage to ResMed machines caused by use of ozone devices. The limited warranty on ResMed masks, with the exception of ResMed AirTouch™ products, will not be affected. "
https://document.resmed.com/en-us/documents/articles/ozone-policy-initiative_patient-letter.pdf
RE: RECALL THREAD-- IMPORTANT PHILIPS DREAMSTATION & SYSTEM ONE USERS - btreger - 10-14-2021
Cleaning Your CPAP? Don't Use Ozone! Here's Why
This topic has been posted for months. We have read articles by CPAP manufacturers, Ozone manufacturers, and even the FDA. I have no intention of repeating any of that. I will give you a link to a video, and you can decide for yourself:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbHcZUFRDqg