[News] RECALL THREAD-- IMPORTANT PHILIPS DREAMSTATION & SYSTEM ONE USERS - Printable Version +- Apnea Board Forum - CPAP | Sleep Apnea (https://www.apneaboard.com/forums) +-- Forum: Public Area (https://www.apneaboard.com/forums/Forum-Public-Area) +--- Forum: Main Apnea Board Forum (https://www.apneaboard.com/forums/Forum-Main-Apnea-Board-Forum) +--- Thread: [News] RECALL THREAD-- IMPORTANT PHILIPS DREAMSTATION & SYSTEM ONE USERS (/Thread-News-RECALL-THREAD-IMPORTANT-PHILIPS-DREAMSTATION-SYSTEM-ONE-USERS) Pages:
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RE: RECALL THREAD-- IMPORTANT PHILIPS DREAMSTATION & SYSTEM ONE USERS - btreger - 06-23-2021 One of the DME's, that is currently selling Philips products, is the one that I bought my DreamStation Go from. They also notified me via email on the 16th of the recall. So they know. Let's go back to standards that Philips says it is and has always followed. NEW ISO STANDARDS FOR MEDICAL DEVICES Click on this link to get there: https://www.iso.org/news/ref2534.html RE: RECALL THREAD-- IMPORTANT PHILIPS DREAMSTATION & SYSTEM ONE USERS - sawinglogz - 06-23-2021 (06-23-2021, 11:15 AM)cathyf Wrote: Is it possible that PR is simply unaware that when they oh so carefully curate and protect this data, that virtually the only people who are willing to look at it are the patients -- the exact people that they are "protecting" the data from! I think they simply don't care. The patients aren't their customers. And they may think that taking steps to prevent patient access shields them from some liability if a patient gets hurt after adjusting their own settings based on their data. And yes, I know my doctor is unusual. I specifically sought him out. RE: RECALL THREAD-- IMPORTANT PHILIPS DREAMSTATION & SYSTEM ONE USERS - WakeUpTime - 06-23-2021 DMEs and sleep labs are now reporting that, over the past few months, they had "clues" from Philips that a significant issue was developing that was significantly disrupting existing Philips PAP systems backorders (except DreamStation 2 orders). It appears that Philips had known about the coming recall for several months and began withholding deliveries of Philips PAP systems to DMEs and sleep labs of all models (except the DreamStation 2). Sleep solution equipment suppliers, sleep labs, etc., are all scrambling right now to find replacement systems anywhere they can find them. Failing that, they are asking patients to sign a legal release form regarding any use of Philips recalled systems. As one of the sleep professionals in the article noted, the last thing we'd want is for PAP users to stop using their PAP system altogether, or any resulting events such as a motor vehicle accident could lead to serious legal consequences. By Philips' statement to immediately stop using their recalled breathing systems, without an immediate replacement, they've presented a significant problem to the industry. This article shows some of the impact on the daily operations at sleep labs. (Note that none of the direct quotes within the article are from Philips themselves, but rather from DMEs or sleep labs.) Quote:"Sleep Professionals Scramble to Find Solutions for Sleep Apnea Patients Amidst Philips Device Recall" RE: RECALL THREAD-- IMPORTANT PHILIPS DREAMSTATION & SYSTEM ONE USERS - buddy0329 - 06-23-2021 Quote: Wrote:"Sleep Professionals Scramble to Find Solutions for Sleep Apnea Patients Amidst Philips Device Recall" [url=http://www.apneaboard.com/forums/private.php?action=send&uid=19187][/url] Ever since this recall fiasco started I had been calling Aetna to put pressure on them. Aetna called me this afternoon to tell me that they were going to waive the 5 year coverage rule. It had been escalated to a policy team for more than a week. Of course I paid out of pocket for a (heavily discounted) AS10 last night, but that means I still have benefits to use on an AS11 whenever it comes out. Point of the above....if you need coverage to help pay for a new CPAP/APAP, call your insurer. Tell them they need to waive the 5-year rule:
Those two points made over and over again were key in getting Aetna to back-off on their 5-year rule. RE: RECALL THREAD-- IMPORTANT PHILIPS DREAMSTATION & SYSTEM ONE USERS - Lazer1234 - 06-23-2021 I wonder if Philips' recall of machines is really about getting their new encrypted machines into use by patients. Then they get into their new patient management system, Care Orchestra? I guess it will mean much more profit than the recall of the old machines costs. Almost everything that concerns our health should go through this platform, right? HDSP RE: RECALL THREAD-- IMPORTANT PHILIPS DREAMSTATION & SYSTEM ONE USERS - WakeUpTime - 06-23-2021 ^^^ I fear that adding this posted link might cause this thread to now become the Philips DreamStation 2 data encryption thread, but here's the link for those interested in Philips' new cloud-based architecture: Philips Health Suite Digital Platform (HSDP) brochure https://cf-s3-9b8a2d91-c007-4d01-985a-ef737a876dbd.s3.amazonaws.com/s3fs-public/PDF/hsdp-brochure.pdf (I'm hoping that someone will start a separate thread, related to Philips data encryption and its cloud architecture, so this thread can focus on the issues related to the Philips Recall.) RE: RECALL THREAD-- IMPORTANT PHILIPS DREAMSTATION & SYSTEM ONE USERS - Lazer1234 - 06-23-2021 (06-23-2021, 03:35 PM)WakeUpTime Wrote: ^^^ I mean the recall is just a cover to get started all over the world faster with HDSP? RE: RECALL THREAD-- IMPORTANT PHILIPS DREAMSTATION & SYSTEM ONE USERS - SarcasticDave94 - 06-23-2021 In case you're interested, comparing the 2 charts racprops posted, the ResMed reports events it encountered. If it didn't encounter a certain event, there's no events to report. The Philips maybe is doing the same, but I know for certain the ResMed acts this way. His ResMed comparison has some other differences. The ResMed Min EPAP pressure was 10, Respironics min EPAP 12. ResMed AHI 0 Respironics AHI .39 ResMed PS 6-15 Respironics PS 6-11.5 ResMed didn't allow Hypopnea or Obstructive but Respironics did have a bit of both. RE: RECALL THREAD-- IMPORTANT PHILIPS DREAMSTATION & SYSTEM ONE USERS - SuperSleeper - 06-23-2021 WakeUpTime, I'd suggest you start a new thread about the encryption info, rather than mix it all up in this recall thread. Once you create the new thread, come back here and post the link to the new thread so folks can continue to talk about the encryption stuff there. Thanks. RE: RECALL THREAD-- IMPORTANT PHILIPS DREAMSTATION & SYSTEM ONE USERS - cathyf - 06-23-2021 Another question -- does anybody know how the worldwide chip shortage is going to affect the ability of any and all manufacturers to produce more machines than anyone was planning on needing? |