[News] RECALL THREAD-- IMPORTANT PHILIPS DREAMSTATION & SYSTEM ONE USERS

[medman68]

Just received my refurbished DS1 replacement after 3 long years on the waiting list. 14000+ hours on this POS. Emits sounds like a jet turbine and moans like a dying war horse. To say I am annoyed and disappointed is putting it mildly. NOT ACCEPTABLE PHILLIPS. I thought these units were supposedly "whisper quiet"?! I've been more of a Resmed guy and presently have a very quiet A10 which is aging and sort of buggy at this point. I don't have a ton of hours logged on DS. Are these normally so rumbling? Phone call tomorrow am and demanding another unit, which will probably take another 3 years. FFS.

[ST Dog]

As of April 1, 2023, Philips intends for its related care business to comprise monitoring, sleep and respiratory care, and enterprise informatics.

That's not promising. It was bad enough when they encrypted the data and started locking out settings.

I fon't like where Philips is heading, don't like results from the AS10 and the AS11 witn it's touchscreen is even worse. Hoping my PRS1 gives a long life and I can find DS to replace it. Maybe by then some sanity returns (or I'm dead).

[SleeplessinPgh]

Emits sounds like a jet turbine and moans like a dying war horse.

Sounds like you got the refurbished DS1 I sent back. I got a replacement for it about 2 weeks after I called and spoke to someone who was actually quite pleasant. "Whisper quiet" could describe my original DS1.  My latest replacement is another refurbished DS1 and is almost as quiet as my original.

[WakeUpTime]

Just received my refurbished DS1 replacement after 3 long years on the waiting list. 14000+ hours on this POS. Emits sounds like a jet turbine and moans like a dying war horse. 

Hopefully you had a satisfactory call with the Philips' third-party agency (or Philips directly) afterwards, and an appropriately functioning replacement is on the way.  If not, it would be dangerous and again negligent for Philips to ship you a medically necessary assistive breathing device that did not function appropriately.  Perhaps it also has additional issues such as a motor that stops intermittently, etc., that can be added to your need for a replacement, and an elimination of that specific device from the replacement inventory will take place.  

Philips, knowing that its current production of new DS2s now represents upcoming highly-profitable sales revenues (rather than lost costs), and finding itself with a sizable inventory of returned faulty units, may now be choosing to provide replacements at the least possible cost (and opportunity cost).  I'm sure they also know that shipping a well-used device will hasten the time before the next replacement is needed, which Philips hopes will be a new DS2/3 purchase in 2024/5.

[btreger]

CBS EVENING NEWS
 
Two years on, sleep apnea sufferers still hurt by CPAP machine recall

According to Philips, the recall of millions of CPAP breathing machines was due to "potential risks" that included "toxic and carcinogenic effects," along with the possibility of developing "asthma" and an "inflammatory response."

Philips also said that its latest testing showed "foam degradation is low" and within "applicable safety limits." It said that "exposure to particulate matter emissions from degraded foam...is unlikely to result in an appreciable harm to health in patients."


Two years on, sleep apnea sufferers still hurt by CPAP machine recall - CBS News

[WakeUpTime]

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Philips is following the traditional large corporate legal response playbook.  Hopefully, judges, juries, gov't health agencies, etc., will realize the realistic greater harm that was caused by Philips' many instances of neglect, deliberate and otherwise.

Philips is absolutely correct that short-term ingestion and inhalation of the toxic chemicals associated with Philips very long-term choice of faulty foam will not cause immediate noticeable harm to Philips faulty CPAP systems.  

J&J made similar claims that its baby powder was safe, even though internal docs showed that they knew for decades that it indirectly was laced with asbestos, with prolonged use leads to  cancer, mesothelioma, etc.  Asbestos manufacturers continued for years to add its products to everything from house productions to hair dryers, claiming no one suffered immediate ill health.  Dupont made similar claims about wastewater runoff flowing into the Ohio River containing 8X the normal content of C-8, causing local residents and Dupont employees to have substantial increases in cancer, leukemia, child-birth defects, etc., with longer-term consumption.  Norfolk Southern will make similar claims that both liquid and burned vinyl chloride did not cause any immediate deaths amongst humans in East Palestine, Ohio.

Long-term use of toxic chemicals in real-life usage environments (not limited controlled short-term simulated laboratory environments) indeed causes increased morbidities and mortalities.  Further, at the very least, use of toxic chemicals further impacts other negative health conditions already present (or soon to be present) in people.  Use of additional toxins will hasten the speed of which people succumb to other illnesses.

Philips’ ‘independent’ lab studies don’t account for the realistic use of its breathing assist devices in high humidity, high temperature, wide varying pressures, high-pressures, long-term usage, strong internal cleaning (ozone), repeated recleaning (as done at hospitals, sleep centers, refurbished resellers, etc.), varying models, varying model ages, varying uses (e.g. with oxygen support), etc.

Lastly, all of the companies listed above further take refuge in stating that they have always met “government regulations”, yet many of these above self-regulating companies and industries deliberately hid or significantly delayed (often by decades) disclosing the potential harm caused by toxic use (direct, accidental or deliberate misuse) of their product.  Often, their products were initially approved from limited testing and limited simulated laboratory use conditions in the first place.  The gov't assumes corporations will immediately disclose negative outcomes associated with consumer complaints and internal studies.  That's usually where the system breaks down, with external parties suffering the consequences.

[ST Dog]

Philips’ ‘independent’ lab studies don’t account for the realistic use of its breathing assist devices in high humidity, high temperature, wide varying pressures, high-pressures, long-term usage, strong internal cleaning (ozone), repeated recleaning (as done at hospitals, sleep centers, refurbished resellers, etc.), varying models, varying model ages, varying uses (e.g. with oxygen support), etc.

Where do I find copies of the detailed test results with procedures? 

You seem to have read them.

How else would you know what was or wasn't considered.

And why would the FDA be OK with all those short commIngs?

[btreger]

RE-POST

CBS EVENING NEWS
 
According to Philips, the recall of millions of CPAP breathing machines was due to "potential risks" that included "toxic and carcinogenic effects," along with the possibility of developing "asthma" and an "inflammatory response."

Philips also said  risks its latest testing showed "foam degradation is low" and within "applicable safety limits." It said that "exposure to particulate matter emissions from degraded foam...is unlikely to result in an appreciable harm to health in patients."

Note: This is information Philips released, and not a third-party reporting;

Potential risks:

" Included "toxic and carcinogenic effects," along with the possibility of developing "asthma" and an "inflammatory response."

"Exposure to particulate matter emissions from degraded foam..[u].is unlikely to result in an appreciable harm to health in patients."[/u]

This is from the company that developed and sold this crap to the world. Now they went from denying everything to using words like,
(potential risks and unlikely to cause appreciable harm)

We have been posting on this for 2 and 1/2 years, and the facts have only expanded to show just how vile and outrageous Philips really is. All the known facts to this point are already in previous posts.

[ST Dog]

Now they went from denying everything to using words like,
(potential risks and unlikely to cause appreciable harm)

Potential risks was the wording in the original recall notice. And the FDA statement then echoed that wording.

http://www.apneaboard.com/wiki/index.php...alth_risks

[btreger]

Potential risks was the wording in the original recall notice. And the FDA statement then echoed that wording.

http://www.apneaboard.com/wiki/index.php...alth_risks

As I said, "All the known facts to this point are already in previous posts"