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[Product Review] Tap Pap Mask
#31
RE: Tap Pap Mask
I'm convinced that it's not an issue of keeping the lips closed. The leak occurs further back in the mouth, where the back of the tongue meets the roof of the mouth. If that seal is broken the air escapes into the mouth, puffs up the cheeks if the lips are sealed, and escapes between the lips.
Sleepster

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#32
RE: Tap Pap Mask
(07-12-2014, 10:39 AM)Sleepster Wrote: I'm convinced that it's not an issue of keeping the lips closed. The leak occurs further back in the mouth, where the back of the tongue meets the roof of the mouth. If that seal is broken the air escapes into the mouth, puffs up the cheeks if the lips are sealed, and escapes between the lips.

Makes sense that that is the root cause, but what to do about it other than a full face mask?

Don in Austin

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#33
RE: Tap Pap Mask
Different types of chin straps have given me varying degrees of success, so I encourage people to try different types and try different adjustments. If that doesn't work, it's the dreaded FFM. I'm a side and stomach sleeper, so I think I would have difficulty tolerating one of those.
Sleepster

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#34
Grin 
RE: Tap Pap Mask
All...

I'm a happy Tap PAP user, with a bit of an odyssey getting to PAP therapy.

In retrospect, my wife is convinced that I've been having sleep issues since my late thirties. And primarily due to a family predisposition (my sister has been recently diagnosed with severe sleep apnea, and my brother is currently considered borderline... My father would shake the house with his snoring.Big Grin ). My wife's basis for believing I've had sleep issues for 20+ years revolve around my restless leg syndrome, which goes away when all is well.

So, pressed by my wife and my dentist [he sells custom-fitted upper-lower oral mouthpiece to control snoring) four years ago I finally went for a sleep study, that confirmed only mild apnea but severe snoring. [Wife's response is unprintable]. Oh, and a lot of restless leg syndrome also.

Got fitted with appliance, which basically moves your jaw forward as you close your mouth. And blessed silence descended.Laugh-a-lot

Fast forward 2+ years, and better half reports some snoring has returned, plus restless leg. Time for another sleep study, this time using oral appliance. In a mind-bending result, appliance works... to control snoring, more or less. But apnea numbers, oxygen saturation levels, leg movement etc. are all bad. Basically, I've turned into a silent apnea sufferer. Dentist is VERY surprised, but wanting to ensure my health, coordinates with my primary-care doctor for an immediate referral to an ENT specialist... who takes a look at the file, sleep studies, and immediately prescribes use of a PAP device. Time for another study, this time with a PAP...

Understand one key factor: I have a full face beard & mustache, which immediately rules out a full mask, and during the study, we ruled out a nasal mask also due to leaks past the 'stache. The lab had a fairly simple nasal pillow setup, which worked fairly well, except that I couldn't get a balance between good seal and tightness against nose. Bottom line, I had to use nasal pillow[s] in future. And as someone who is primarily a side sleeper (either), it had to be a mask where the hose goes up and over the head. Sleep study confirmed that a downward-directed hose got tangled in bedding.

While my insurance company rumbled into action, enter Apnea Board... I found this place, and started reading like mad. Went to other sites too, but always circled back to here. Armed with extensive reading coupled with relatively low pressures determined during sleep study, I was able to convince my ENT to support use of an APAP, and as an IT geek, the ResMed line appealed to me the most... So the prescription got amended.

I can't remember where I heard about TAP PAP, but the fact that it incorporated a mouthpiece was NOT an issue - Due to my history with an oral appliance, just the opposite. It's also designed to go up and over head... check.

Got all of the equipment, and during the first night, the "wife checking to see whether I had died because I was so still and quiet" experience happened also Dielaughing - she was reassured when she realized that a) I was OK and b) life insurance check HAD cleared...

Anyway... I quickly found that I needed the headgear, for two main reasons:
1) headgear (using Velcro) keeps the hose going up and over your head.
2) headgear shifts the emphasis from the whole mouthpiece acting as the main means of holding your mask in place to just the front of the mouthpiece, where it ends up (counter-braced by the headgear straps) resting against your teeth. This allows the nasal pillow pressure to be eased up, and your jaw can relax a bit (still with your mouth closed). I ended up redoing the fit on the mouthpiece to be quite loose - no need to have it grip my molars like a vise...

To summarize: Those of you who have had issues with the Tap Pap may have a completely different experience with use of the headgear.

With the Tap Pap nasal pillow contact pressure readjusted downward with the use of headgear straps, I found that I was able to drop my pressures (Rescan tells me that I'm typically averaging 8.5 vs 12 when I started) and the blow-by effect at the back of your throat that can occur with higher pressures is basically gone. The only time I've had the chipmunk syndrome was during a cold...

Hope this helps with past, present and future Tap PAP users. Sleep-well
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#35
RE: Tap Pap Mask
Glad I found this thread - lots of good tips. I just got a tap pap device because I liked the idea of no headgear - nothing squeezing my head.

Unfortunately, I don't think it's going to work for me. While some in this thread cited the mask as being very quiet, I found it to be extremely noisy - many times more noise than my Simplus full face mask. No way I'd ever fall asleep with all that air noise in my face. Oh well.
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#36
TAP PAP
After trying 4 other masks - I ended up w the TAP PAP - a combination night guard-like appliance that is connected to the nasal pillows.  No straps at all!  I love this thing.  Can keep it on all night, no problems.  I have been taping my lips somewhat closed tho.  Just received the ResMed AirSense 10 for Her that I hope I'll be able to really see what happens at night.  I am also seeing my dentist to have him check the fit of this appliance.  Hope he confirms it's fine bc this has been a game-changer for me.
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#37
RE: TAP PAP
I am very interested in this mask.  Do I understand you are taping with the mouth piece?  Have you tried it without taping?
2010 sleep study 63 AHI
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#38
RE: Tap Pap Mask
My mouth occ. pops open if I don't tape. Dry air in mouth... bad for teeth; already have dental issues going on..... This is definitely a work in progress... I've tried my new ResMed twice and not been able to feel comfortable w it. Will call company on Monday for help I guess... or study more. Felt like my pillows were collapsing/not getting enough air in - doesn't happen w the Dreamstation brick.
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#39
RE: Tap Pap Mask
(02-10-2018, 03:24 PM)pollyottis Wrote: My mouth occ. pops open if I don't tape.  Dry air in mouth... bad for teeth; already have dental issues going on.....  This is definitely a work in progress... I've tried my new ResMed twice and not been able to feel comfortable w it.  Will call company on Monday for help I guess... or study more.  Felt like my pillows were collapsing/not getting enough air in - doesn't happen w the Dreamstation brick.

Make sure you have ramp set to off if your feeling like your not getting enough air
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#40
RE: Tap Pap Mask
I see I am 5 years behind the times on this thread, so I might be missing something.  Still, it seems Tap Pap may have gotten me over the hump on tolerating CPAP.

What works for me:

1)  I did not get the straps to go with it, but we did simply sew a piece of elastic to a head band (like a sweat band) that just goes around the top of my head.  This lets me route the house straight up and helps keep the mouth piece in place.  (Straps across my cheeks tug on my nasal pillows when I roll over and break the seal otherwise on most nasal pillow devices.)

2)  I have had to refit the mouthpiece about a dozen times.  I struggled to get it the right width at first.  Then, I was biting too hard.  Now I hold my teeth together very lightly when I am forming the mask.  I barely suck in at all in an attempt to keep mask from getting too tight.  After two minutes of forming with my mouth closed, I keep it in with mouth open for 5 minutes or more.

As  check that I have not bitten down too hard, I am trying to minimize the clear spots in the bite pattern that reveal pressure points between the teeth surfaces.  

3)  Each night before I put it in, I run it under hot tap water for a minute first.  Then, I insert it and wiggle it around by the front stem to try and create some wiggle room.

After this, the mouthpiece stays in place even if I open my mouth for a moment.  This preparation seems to have lessened the sensation of waking up in the night being aware of something hard between my teeth.  Last night, I finally broke the cycle of waking up after two hours sleep.  (I have been having the same problem with both Respironics Nuance and ResMed 10.)  Most times when that happens, I am too aware of my appliance and have to take it off to go back to sleep.  Some nights, I am able to reinsert it after an hour or two once my mouth has rested a while.  Other times, the 2 hours is all I get with the mask.   Last night, I got 4.5 hours straight.  The night before 6 hours with an hour break after the first 2.  I hope it keeps getting better.
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